The Silly Season — Guard Ratings

Posted: June 20, 2005 @ 6:31 pm

A position that has been considered one of the weakest in the league in recent years (notice there are no blue-chip players on this list; when Larry Allen was in his prime in the late ’90s, he would score in the mid-4.0s and nobody else would be close to him) shows some encouraging signs for Dallas.

  • 1. Will Shields, Chiefs, 3.99
  • 2. Alan Faneca, Steelers, 3.7
  • 3. Steve Hutchinson, Seahawks, 3.6
  • 4. Mike Wahle, Panthers, 3.6
  • 5. Damien Woody, Lions, 3.5
  • 6. Marco Rivera, Cowboys, 3.4
  • Named to back-to-back Pro Bowls with the Packers before bolting to Big D, where the Cowboys hope he can duplicate a recent streak of more than 60 games without allowing a sack. Terrific leader and locker-room guy. Quick and has seen it all, which should be a benefit to younger, less experienced linemates. Sets up in a blink, anchors and plays with proper pad level. Has the hand speed to joust with top pass-rushing defensive tackles. Some fear he might fall apart — he played through ligament tears and is coming off back surgery in March.

    Who are these people who fear he will fall apart? The janitors at Pro Football Weekly? The bitter Packers fans on staff just itching to say “I told you so” to Jerry — and us — for luring Rivera away? Don’t get me wrong, the back surgery made me feel queasy when I first heard about it, because those things can wreck a career. Having seen recent photos of Rivera rehabbing, and seeing the stretching and torquing he’s doing on his back to strenghen it, I’m far less worried now. But really, if the guy can play through ligament tears and make the Pro Bowl, falling apart is the last thing I worry about. It seems Rivera can play well while falling apart.

  • 7. Brian Waters, Chiefs, 3.4
  • 8. Adam Timmerman, Rams, 3.3
  • 9. Larry Allen, Cowboys, 3.2
  • One-dimensional Mack truck of an interior lineman in the twilight of his career. Allen has had a Hall of Fame-worthy run, even if he doesn’t dominate and appears drained late in games. Can come off the ball and blow up an interior lineman on occasion. Has rare power and a strong, wide base with broad shoulders. Not agile and is a two-step blocker who much recover and must get his hands up and out to neutralize a blocker.

    This scouting report is dead on about Allen the past two seasons, especially in ‘03. He improved last season, but his recovery ability on pass plays left something to be desired. The glowing reports of improved mobility from Parcells better be on the mark or the staff is fooling themselves about moving him to right tackle. If he can play at a 3.2 level as a right tackle, he’s top ten at that position as well.

    The question marks are present, because of Allen’s and Rivera’s age and Rivera’s surgery. If they maintain their level of play, Dallas has two Pro Bowlers. Julius Jones and Drew Bledsoe can only hope.

    Comments

    38 Responses to “The Silly Season — Guard Ratings”

    1. 1
      James on June 20th, 2005 7:25 pm

      Well, FINALLY! We get SOME respect from the mediots. I am also taking a wait and see approach to LA finding the fountain of youth, but he definitely deserves a top 10 ranking at gaurd. Just like Rafael, I am scratching my head about Rivera. He’s “going to fall apart?” Janitors indeed.

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      Lou on June 20th, 2005 8:04 pm

      The boys and cheifs have the best guards in the league, hands down. They put Shields 1st, and was injured and contemplating retirement, so what do these people know saying Rivera is going to break down?

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      Derrick on June 20th, 2005 9:48 pm

      First off, who cares if we get or not get respect. Why would you expect any in the first place when we haven’t been a good team in 6 years. The players that get the most notice are players on winning and playoff teams, and second, I think that Rivera will be alright, but I wished we had signed Wahle instead because he is a lot younger at that position and signed for a comparable contract as Rivera.

      Now, I got ripped here a couple of weeks ago when I said that Larry Allen would not be a good solution at right Tackle because of his age and loss of his mobility and is better suited to play guard inside the box. Everyone said that he is in better shape and lost some weight, well thats great, but you dont get faster footwork with age no matter how much better shape your in. He would have big problems with speed rushers because of his lack of footwork and mobility at this point of his career. Just because he played alittle tackle earlier in his career, which he wasen’t that great at when he filled in at that position because of neccessity. He’s a pounder now and thats what his strength is now and I think he should be kept inside at left guard and let him do what he does now and thats move people.

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      Matt on June 20th, 2005 9:57 pm

      Derrick

      LA went to the pro Bowl as a Tackle so he was pretty good. And as for us carring about these ratings I for one agree with you, who cares games are not won on paper. We will show them what we are made of on the feild.

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      Lou on June 20th, 2005 11:03 pm

      We were good 2 years ago, and got some respect from the media. I remember people saying, think what Parcells will do in his 2nd year. So we did get some respect, but not alot.

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      Matt on June 20th, 2005 11:13 pm

      Lou,

      Just because you win a few games does not make you good. That first year with BP we were not nearly as good as our record and our D was not nearly as godd as it ranked. This is the best team that we have feilded on paper in a long time. I’m only 26 and started watching when they won there second SB. And frankly i’ve been imberassed to call myself a Cowboy fan over the past 5-6 seasons.

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      James on June 20th, 2005 11:19 pm

      I would have prefferred that we sign Wahle as well, just because he is 5 years younger; but Rivera is still a good sign because of his leadership. It makes one wonder if Wahle was just not a Parcells guy or if he just wasn’t interested in playing in Dallas? Remember, moving LA to RT is not a done deal. If Peterman or Pettiti are not ready to start, the move probably won’t be made. We’ll begin to see in another 37 days.

      As for the respect thing, perhaps it is more about absurdity and journalistic integrity. I agree, if they don’t like us pee on ‘em. But to put Kleinsasser ahead of Witten for example? Kleinsasser has been injured almost 2/5ths of his career. He’s a better blocker true, but overall? Making an inaccurate ranking just out of spite is absurd. Gotta figure they are taking their chance to get even with us for all the years we kicked the crap out of their teams.

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      Chandus on June 21st, 2005 12:13 am

      James, as you said, the main diference between Rivera and Wahle is that Rivera tooked the team on his shoulders, by leadership and example. That’s why he was signed, maybe Wahle develops into a leader in Carolina, but maybe not, Parcells went the safer route here, bringing in a player that has shown what he needed, just to see if some of that rubs on Al Johnson, Peterman and Noll, which are the ones that we might see in the future as our anchors.

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      chris on June 21st, 2005 4:57 am

      I also say we keep allen inside. With adams,allen johnson and rivera put whomever wins the job at rt and give them him tight end help as needed.
      go boys 11-5 and way improved d-fence

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      Gene on June 21st, 2005 10:27 am

      Did any of you read foxsports.com about James Wahlen?

      When the team signed tight end James Whalen, a former Cowboy, it went unnoticed for the most part. You can’t say that about Whalen’s play in the team’s minicamps. The veteran receiver showed excellent hands and smooth route-running ability in the non-contact drills. It will be interesting to see if that performance continues when the pads come on and the hitting begins at training camp. Whalen is not built to be a force as a blocker in the running game, but the Eagles throw more than they run anyway. He could be a good backup behind L.J. Smith. . . .

      I don’t know about you guys but I always thought he should have been given more of a chance in Dallas. Every training camp I would read via Mickey Spagnolia that Whitten has the best hands on the team.

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      Derrick on June 21st, 2005 10:58 am

      The problem with Whalen has been that in the game of football, he is known as a TWEENER and thats the problem, he’s a little big and too slow to be a wide receiver and too small and doesn’t block that well to be a tightend. He has always had good hands, but you can only go so far with that ability. His catching ability and his spacial teams plays as far as I remember about him is what kept him on the cowboys roster as long as it did. He’s a career backup and thats not too bad collecting a check in the NFL.I wouldn’t mind that check.

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      Raul Villaronga on June 21st, 2005 11:05 am

      Derrick:

      I thought the “receiving” knock on Whalen was that he would catch the ball as long as it was thrown right at him. Passes low, behind, high, etc., would give him problems.

      If that is the case, then it will be interestng to see if McNabb’s tendency to throw low (read: not on target) will be a detriment to Whalen.

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      Raul Villaronga on June 21st, 2005 11:08 am

      Chandus:

      My hope is that the presense of Rivera will help whatever young buck who plays RT. I’m not too enthused about breaking up the Double-A team (Allen and Adams) and hope that the veteran at RG (Rivera) will be a big help to his partner, whoever that may be.

      Fortunately, the RT is not a blind side …

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      randall on June 21st, 2005 11:51 am

      Sorry this is off topic, but the NFL network is going to air preseason games.
      NFL.com has the dates and times. I looked real quick and saw 3 Cowboys games. it’s not live but it is something.

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      ERICK on June 21st, 2005 11:53 am

      WAY OFF SUBJECT, BUT WITH ALL THESE SILLY MEDIOTS RANKING “THE TOP 50 PLAYERS” AND ALSO DOING POSITION RANKINGS, I THOUGHT IT’LL BE FUN TO DO ONE MYSELF. SO HERE’S MY DEFENSIVE POSITION RANKINGS:

      DE:
      1. Julius Peppers
      2. Dwight Freeney
      3. Simeon Rice
      4. Jason Taylor
      5. Patrick Kerney
      6. Jevon Kearse
      7. John Abraham
      8. Charles Grant
      9. Bertrand Berry
      10. Greg Ellis

      DT:
      1. Kris Jenkins
      2. Shaun Rogers
      3. Richard Seymour
      4. La’Roi Glover
      5. Marcus Stroud
      6. Kevin Williams
      7. John Henderson
      8. Casey Hampton
      9. Corey Simon
      10. Anthony McFarland

      ILB:
      1. Ray Lewis
      2. Al Wilson
      3. Keith Brooking
      4. James Farrior
      5. Brian Urlacher
      6. Dat Nguyen
      7. Kendrell Bell
      8. Donnie Edwards
      9. Tedy Bruschi
      10. Jonathan Vilma

      OLB:
      1. Julian Peterson
      2. Takeo Spikes
      3. Keith Bulluck
      4. Derrick Brooks
      5. Lavar Aarington
      6. Joey Porter
      7. DJ Williams
      8. Marcus Washington
      9. Terrell Suggs
      10. Brian Simmons

      CB:
      1. Champ Bailey
      2. Chris McAlister
      3. Patrick Surtain
      4. Charles Woodson
      5. Samari Rolle
      6. Antoine Winfield
      7. Ronde Barber
      8. Nate Clements
      9. Dre Bly
      10. Marcus Trufant

      S:
      1. Brian Dawkins
      2. Ed Reed
      3. Roy Williams
      4. Adrian Wilson
      5. Donovin Darius
      6. Rodney Harrison
      7. Darren Sharper
      8. Michael Lewis
      9. Tony Parrish
      10. Troy Polamalu

      NOTES: T. NEWMAN IS ONE GREAT SEASON AWAY FROM CRACKING MY LIST. ALSO, THIS LIST IS COMPOSED OF ACTIVE PLAYERS IN THE NFL AS OF TODAY SO DONT ASK ABOUT WOODSON ALTHOUGH HE WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGH ON MY LIST.

      SO TELL ME WHAT YA’LL THINK, ANYBODY I MISSED? SOMEONE THAT SHOULDN’T MAKE THIS LIST?

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      Fighter15 on June 21st, 2005 12:09 pm

      My question is if we have 2 of the top 10 guards, one of the best young centers and a definite top 10 LT, then why the heck is everyone so down on our offensive line?

      In every prognostication, it is a serious downgrade. We’ve got serious quality backups at every position.

      One RT (apparent) weakness can’t bring us down that far, can it?

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      Trey on June 21st, 2005 12:42 pm

      Fighter,

      Your right, they are inconsistent…they like the parts but they do not like the whole.

      Their one valid point is the overall age on the offense. When you depend on multiple 30+ guys some of them are going to get hurt. On offense we currently know who 10 of the 11 starters will be. Six of the 10 are 30+ and Campbell is 29.

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      StarStruck on June 21st, 2005 5:39 pm

      randall

      Thanks for the info!

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      Luke on June 21st, 2005 5:57 pm

      My problem here is that everybody seems to be really bashing LA pretty good. Whoever it was that said he wasn’t that good at tackle doesn’t seem to remember that he has played some of the best defensive ends ever and he has stoned them all. I do understand that with his age his mobility has decreased some, but he is not nearly as slow and broken down as he is being made out to be. Whoever said that Allen loosing weight didn’t matter as far as speed is concerned, consider this: I am an offensive lineman and I let myself get up to 282lbs. I was very strong, but I had lost alot of speed and mobility for that strength. I then decided to work just as much on speed and agility as I did strength. When I made that commitment, I dropped 22lbs and my 40 went from 5.1 sec. to a 4.8sec. I jump higher, my first is much quicker and so is my reaction time. The problem Parcells had with LA is that he was worried about strength and not the speed necessary to play as that fearsome pulling guard spot. Allen seems to have made a commitment and dropped about fifteen or twenty pounds. So yeah that is going to make a big difference. I would watch out for Allen no matter where he plays this season.

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      J.B. on June 21st, 2005 7:14 pm

      LOOK, REAL COWBOY FANS SAY WHAT IS ON THEIR MINDS AND I APPLAUD THOSE GUYS FOR THEIR TRUTHFULNESS. BUT AS YOU KNOW WE CAN’T GET CAUGHT UP IN BELIEVING WHAT WE READ. MOSTLY EVERYTHING WE READ ARE ANTI COWBOY ANYWAY, AS FOR MY BOYS, THEY WILL BE ALRIGHT AT ALL POSITIONS, INCLUDING RIGHT TACKLE. SO LETS NOT GET PAPER BEAT, LET THE BOYS DO THEIR FIGHTING ON THE FIELD, AND QUIET THE CRITICS. GO COWBOYS!!!. REAL FAN FOR LIFE!!!!!!!.

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      Burmafrd on June 21st, 2005 7:16 pm

      If BP is even CONSIDERING LA as possibly playing tackle, then he has to be in better shape and moving better then he has in years. That translates into another top season for him. All indications are that Rivera is healing well and should have no problems this season. Al Johnson is expected to break out and push for a Pro Bowl slot this year. The Hotel is reported to be doing well also. So we have 3 of 5 starters as current Pro Bowlers, in the last 2 years. We have a young center that did well as a rookie and should improve. We have good depth. The ONLY question is RT- and we have several candidates, including 2 that have started there multiple games. There is absolutely no reason to expect anything less then an acceptable level of ability there- so anyone NOT giving this line a top 10 rating in the NFL is simply a cowboy hater, or stupid. Show me another line with this amount of talent. I frankly think that a top 5 perfromance should be EXPECTED.

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      Lou on June 21st, 2005 7:50 pm

      And at the end of the season the media will say Julius was only a beast because he has a great line in front of him. He could lead the league and there will still be plenty of bias.

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      Derrick on June 21st, 2005 8:06 pm

      WHOA, there luke, nobody is bashing larry Allen. He will go down as one of thee all time great offensive linemen that ever played the game.The fact is he is not the Larry Allen that he usd to be, thats a fact. You can talk about all the pro bowls he went to, and he was deserving of those, but the fact is getting voted to pro bowls now means nothing, its a joke. If I’m not mistaken over 80 players were elected to the probowl last year and that takes into account all the alternates that go. Do you really think that Flozel Adams was a probowl player last year, he was not. Larry had an injury plaqed season and was voted there two years ago and he wasn’t deservant of that. He is getting voted there now on reputation more than his ability. He is still a good player,not great, but not the player he once was, thats just a fact.
      I applaud you sir,that you lost weight and your straight line speed increased, but straightline speed for a linemen means nothing, it quickness, footwork and positioning thats important, but were talking about well conditioned althletes now not street guys. No matter how much weight I loose, and I’m 6.5 and 225lbs and 41 years old, I not going to run faster, nor lift more weight, or be quicker than I was when I was 31, thats just a fact. I dont know how old you are, but when your not in the 21-31 year old age bracket if your even a average athlete, you wont become better in those numbers that you stated. I dont hear too many Olympic athletes winning 100 m dashes over the age of 30.Larry is still a good player that is better suited to play guard at this point of his career where he is better suited to play in smaller space than at tackle where your footwork and quickness and positioning is paramount.
      Larry Allen was not a great Tackle when he played there, when he did play the position, it was because he was the best option athlete we had to play the position at the time because of injury at the tackle position. Just remember, if Larry was the all pro that you think he is NOW, wouldn’t he have been playing there his whole career AND NOT GUARD. The tackle position requires a better athlete than the guard position, thats why you pay tackles more money in the first place. Larry is on the down side of his great all time allpro offensive linemen career, thats just a fact, but he his still better than probably 75% of the players that play his position now. No body is saying he is washed up.

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      matt on June 21st, 2005 8:09 pm

      Burmafrd,

      BP may not be considering LA at RT. that is pure speculation, he said not to try to guess what his plan B was because we would be wrong so we might be. LA may infact not be the plan B at RT.

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      Trey on June 21st, 2005 9:15 pm

      Last year LA was playing very well at the end of last season. If he is healthy and fit then he will be one of the top guards in the game. I would put him above Brian Waters or Adam Timmerman

      There are two valid reasons to move LA out to RT. One) If Peterman and or Noll are a whole lot better then any of the tackle canadates and it is a means to get the best five linemen on the field. Two) None of the other tackle canidates can handle even average speed defensive ends. If a position change happens because they want to get Peterman on the field because he is really good then the drop off at guard should not be that drastic and would be justified by the gains at tackle.

      If the none of the young guard canidates are better then Groude was last year then the move will not make for a solid O-line. It would still be a necesarry move because you must have two tackles who can stop most rushers by one on one and only need help verse the better pass rushers.

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      roysmyboy31 on June 21st, 2005 10:16 pm

      Hey all you guys who wanted wahle instead of Marco
      Wahle isnt the guy we were looking for. Its been said, we’re
      only 1 injury away from being in the same boat as last year.
      Marco is an iron man and a veteran with leadership. We didnthave any leadership last year… LA isn’t a leader asn Flozell looks after himself, Marco Makes them have to show more leadership and teaches the
      young kids how to play like the pro bowler he is.

      And to everyone that hasnt heard and continue to ask… WE DONT WANT SCHULTERS!!!

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      roysmyboy31 on June 21st, 2005 10:18 pm

      Hey all you guys who wanted wahle instead of Marco
      Wahle isnt the guy we were looking for. Its been said, we’re
      only 1 injury away from being in the same boat as last year.
      Marco is an iron man and a veteran with leadership. We didnthave any leadership last year… LA isn’t a leader asn Flozell looks after himself, Marco Makes them have to show more leadership and teaches the
      young kids how to play like the pro bowler he is.

      And to everyone that hasnt heard and continue to ask… WE DONT WANT SCHULTERS!!! He isnt a true free saftey, he is a ball hawk, let me state it better, he is the poor mans Roy williams. We need an out fielder back there with Roy.

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      Rafael Vela on June 21st, 2005 10:20 pm

      Derrick,

      I think the Allen-at-tackle experiement will come down to how healthy his legs are. I went to San Antonio in ‘03, when Parcells and Allen were having their feud in the press and saw something that wasn’t mentioned in the papers. The mediots went on and on about how Allen was always last in the 40 yard sprints, and he was. What they didn’t mention was how bad he right hamstring or groin appeared to be. When the team did their stretching exercises before drills, they would kneel on one knee, extend the other leg and reach for the toes on the extended leg, which stretched the hammy.

      When the linemen stretched their left hammys, LA would stretch his like everyone else. But when they switched legs and stretched their right hammys, Larry would continue kneeling on his right knee and stretching his left. He refused all three days I watched to do any stretches on his right leg. I don’t know if he had a pull, a tear, a strain or what, but he was a one-legged player. And he went all year that way. He was out of shape, and I don’t see how he could have gotten into any game shape when he could not run. Now, he did injure his ankle the year before and had bone spurs removed from an ankle (his right?). This was also the offseason when the press was oohing and aahing over his ability to bench 700+ lbs. As you’ve pointed out, that doesn’t mean squat if you’ve got no lateral mobility.

      It’s clear that Allen had become a weight room wonder who let his conditioning go during the Campo era. He looked better last year. The question is how much can you regain at his age? From the sounds of it, he’s much better running this year than last. But even if he’s in the best shape of the last five years, he’s still not the Allen we marvelled at in the late ’90s. However, an Allen at 85% of prime is still a pretty good NFL tackle. We’ll all have to wait and see.

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      Chandus on June 22nd, 2005 12:20 am

      Yes, the previous years Allen, was a rather inmobile one…… unless for some unexpected plays when he went out of the box to maul some LB’s like he knows how to do…… What made Allen such a respected athlete wasn’t never his movility, was the mean punch he can make to DT’s and DE’s, I remember last year when he was being matched to Shaun Rodgers of Detroit, what a great match up, there were several plays in which Rodgers was flipped backwards and pushed for 2-3 yards, and of course, there were times in which Rodgers made Allen go backwards, but never falling. That has been the main reason why he has been invited to the Pro Bowl the last 2 years, because he can give those punches to the Tackle or End you could mention.

      If he’s, at least, a little better conditioned for this year, he’s gonna be scary, and we need him to be that way, the first test comes with San Diego and one of the best NT’s of right now, Jamal Williams, and he’s a real nasty DT……

      BTW, Woody is rated too high in that list, and Brian Waters might already be a better prospect at Guard than Shields in the Chiefs line.

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      ericp on June 22nd, 2005 2:07 am

      How do you guys think we now rate against other top o lines. Like say the rams or the chiefs. Its hard to think that we could go from one of the weaker o lines in the league the last few years, to one of the best just by adding one guy and having a couple of ours improve(ie… johnson adams), but thats the general feel im getting from everything im reading around the league. Not just the cowboys writers either. Has our line stepped into the elite class when no one was looking? If were really that good, then bledsowe could have a rebirth in big d and we could be a real contender THIS YEAR! Is the o line really looking that good, and if so, wont that make our offense really,REALLY good?

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      Luke on June 22nd, 2005 9:53 am

      Derrek,
      I understand what you are saying, and yes because I have played tackle on both sides of the line I do understand very well how important footwork and positioning are, and yeah being lighter does help mobility, quickness, and footwork. I am not saying that Allen is going to come back and play like he did through the late 90’s. I am saying that if it came down to it, he has enough left to play the position. I do think that LA will be vastly improved compared to the previous two seasons. I am not cheering for LA to be moved to tackle because I know that he isn’t the player he used to be, plus that would create a problem on the left side because we really don’t have a proven solid player to take up the slack over at left guard. I would rather see one of the younger players pick up the slack out at RT myself. Again I am not making a case for Allen to play tackle. I am saying that if it was needed that he could do it, and still be effective. I have no visions of grandure about LA being the player he used to be, but I think he will still be pretty darn good. Ericp, as far as us having one of the best o-lines is concerned, yeah I think we will be pretty good. A lot of that depends on if the guys step up and play like they are capable of playing. With the arrival of Marco Rivera, our line got alot better in a hurry, but once again they all have to play to their potential. As for the offense as a whole, maybe. If we can stay injury free, then yeah there is a good chance of us being very productive. Whether we will be CONTENDERS or not depends on the play of our defense. On paper we are stacked pretty good, but a couple injuries and bad play could change that, but I think we should be pretty good if the defense steps up.

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      Fighter15 on June 22nd, 2005 11:46 am

      As Trey stated (and I alluded to in a previous post), the best 5 OL will be on the field.

      I believe that Peterman needs to be on the field.

      And all you LA at RT naysayers out there that say he was not very good when he played tackle must be forgetting that he made the pro bowl. Yes, he was younger. Yes, he is older. But for gosh sakes, when BP (and every single mediot observer) says that he’s in the best shape in the last 5 years, you’ve got to believe that he can handle the position better than anyone we’ve got at the position.

      And LA is being paid like a tackle. Remember, he’s the one pulling on sweeps. He’s plenty quick. Just happens to be the best guard ever to play.

      What was BP’s quote…rather have someone great at a position that very good at another because of need…something to that affect.

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      Lou on June 22nd, 2005 12:28 pm

      I’m real interested to see Jacob Rogers this mini camp. The guy was 2nd round pick and was hurt last year. I didnt see him play in college, but to be picked in the 2nd round he must have some promise.

      Can someone explain to me how Clark Judge can say the Giants are going to be better then the Cowboys? He did not rank us in the top 5 Cinderella teams. He blames our transition to the 3-4, but I think the media is overhyping how much we are going to play it. I know Im Cowboys biased, but I didnt see anythin from the Giants last year. You cant judge Eli on how well his brother did his 2nd year. Its just stupid. His performence his 2nd year will have NOTHING to do with Peyton’s progression. Peyton played a whole season his rookie year and has weapons. I like Barber, but he won’t repeat his MVP type season like last year. He’s not that caliber a player like a Ray Lewis who can repeat huge numbers every year. Thier defense is old and Strahan was hurt, but probably will still be a force. They signed Peirce but he only had one good year, so it will be interesting how he plays and if hes a fluke. As you all may know, I dont like Plax Buress and think hes overrated, so I can’t see how the Giants will be better then the Boys.

      I like a young and restless D over an old worn out D like the Giants.

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      Lou on June 22nd, 2005 4:04 pm

      And just to back up my statements on Eli, because we have alot of ppl on this site who really like Eli:

      He started against his first 5 games against very good defenses:
      PHI, ATL, BAL, PIT, WAS

      He averaged in those games a horrible 11-25, 126 yards, .6 TD’s, 1.4 INTS

      He had one good game, against a really bad Dallas defense, who wasnt really playing for anything. There was a total of 5 ppl in the stands, and no one cared for the game or watched it, except for us die hard fans. He still finished with a 55 rating. Yet hes the reason why the Giants will be better then the Cowboys?

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      Burmafrd on June 22nd, 2005 5:37 pm

      One thing that some seem to not want to remember- when LA made the Pro Bowl as a tackle- HE HAD NO REPUTATION. He was barely in the league. He made it because he did it well. He showed how game he was when he played on that bad ankle- and for a O lineman that is pretty hard. I agree that he made some of the Pro Bowls on reputation alone- but not early in his career. And when many are saying that he is looking better then he did 5 years ago- remember that that is when he was considered right up there as best in football as an O lineman, not just as a guard.

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      Luke on June 22nd, 2005 6:41 pm

      Allen’s 1998 campaign was nothing less than sensational at left tackle, the NFL’s toughest offensive line position. How good? Well, he earned All-Pro honors from the Associated Press, Pro Football Weekly, The Sporting News and USA TODAY. He also received All-NFC accolades from Pro Football Weekly and Football News. Allen, in ‘98, was a key component in Dallas’ offensive surge that allowed just 19 sakcs for 110 yards in 493 pass plays. His blocking helped Emmitt Smith to seven 100-yard rushing days and 1,332 yards. Plus, Allen’s efforts helped Smith run for two touchdowns in the regular-season finale against Washington to break the NFL’s all-time rushing touchdown record.

      THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN IN 1999 BY ROSS FORMAN. ANYONE WHO SAYS LA COULDN’T PLAY TACKLE BACK IN THE DAY- HERE IS PROOF THAT HE COULD. LINEMAN DON’T EARN THAT MANY ACCOLADES BY BEING JUST OK OR SO, SO. AGAIN I AM NOT MAKING A CASE FOR LA TO PLAY TACKLE THIS YEAR, JUST SAYING THAT HE WASN’T SOME MEDIOCRE, OK TACKLE. SEEMS TO ME LIKE HE DID SOMETHING RIGHT!

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      John Clement on June 23rd, 2005 12:52 pm

      I’m hearing rumors that I like……..Just because the Cowboys signed free agent safety Izell Reese doesn’t mean they won’t take a look at veteran Lance Schulters, who was released Thursday the Titans.
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      The Cowboys have not yet contacted Schulters. But they will likely poke their nose around the situation at some point. The big question with Schulters is his health, considering he missed most of last season with injuries. But if healthy he is a better option than Reese. Of course, then it becomes how much do you pay him and who are you competing against to get him.

      The Reese signing was merely insurance. He’s a smart player and he’ll make sure everyone is lined up right in the secondary. He is veteran option in case Keith Davis doesn’t develop or is deemed to valuable on special teams. Reese is decent in pass coverage, though is not an aggressive ball hawk and is not a physical tackler.

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      CHUCK on June 28th, 2005 4:27 am

      i WANT TO SEE ROB PETITTY HE LOOKS THE PART NOW LETS SEE IF E EARNS IT

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