Palmer Back in the Mix
Posted: January 30, 2006 @ 9:48 am
So where will Chris Palmer work in 2006? The team’s website had a story up late last week that Palmer was to skip to New Orleans and join Sean Payton’s staff. Then Payton hired an OC off the Jets staff.
Today, the Star-Telgram reports that Palmer may sign with the Cowboys after all, but not necessarily as the offensive coordinator.
Where then? Perhaps as tight ends coach, if Paul Pasqauloni is moved to LB coach to replace Gary Gibbs? To WR coach, if Todd Haley gets a promotion to OC?
Wherever. I’ll settle for some clarity, since this story is getting nutty.
Update : Not so fast on Palmer, boys and girls. Newsday reports that Palmer is still very much a candidate to become the Jets OC under new coach Eric Mangini.
Update II : Because I never let the release of a top OL coach go unnoticed. The Jacksonville Jaguars fired OL coach Paul Boudreau and will replace him with recently fired Vikings HC Mike Tice.
Update III : Palmer has been hired by the team.
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one rumor has the cowboys looking at Michigans defensive coordinator as a possible replacement as LB coach….palmer back in the mix again eh? Jeeze……and maybe NOT as OC either,and things will probably change even more after the SB so I’m just gonna have to wait for the fat lady to sing on this one……
I have a friend that is a long suffering Saints fan (is there any other kind) and he was telling me on Friday that he didn’t think Palmer had been hired. I told him that it had been reported by DC.com and NFL.com (subsequent searches found no story on NFL.com, but I could have swore I saw one). I guess he was right…looks like I will be streaking across the field during the Boys/Saints game this season.
This situation is getting strange. Now he might come to Dallas, but not as OC? I know finding an OC might not be high on the Tuna’s list right now, cause he views that as his position really. But I think a new coach should be in on the thought process of what FAs to look at as well as draftees.
Poke
Palmer will be interesting since Parcells is the type that if you waffle or reject an offer from him and you come back, he’ll put you in a worse place than you originally started.
The problem is that while I like Todd Haley, I’m not sure how he’d do at O-Coordinator (or even if he’d want the position) and Palmer may be the best and only candidate for the O-Coordinator position.
I’m shocked that Tice would drop all the way from HC to OL if I read your notes correctly. That seems like quite a step down especially with the latter part of the Vikes season. I don’t like him due to the poor ethics displayed from him on down in the Viking’s organization, probably due to lack of oversight from an interested owner.
Todd Haley would be just fine as OC. Lets face it, BP is not going to hire a big gun to come in and run his Off. Haley is the type of guy that parcells can mold. Which is exactly what he wants. Plus, he can take a good bitch slapping on the sideline. Which BP made very evident last season. I think the Cowboys should deffinately stay in house with this hire. This will make the 4th year with basicly the same coaching staff, except of course Sean Payton, and that has to help, but again, it doesnt matter who the coaches are if you cant block worth a crap.
Len Pasquarelli is reporting on ESPN.com that Palmer has indeed agreed to join the Cowboys, but no position was named.
Round and round he goes, where he’ll stop…no one knows.
Poke
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2312196
Poke
does palmer is or palmer aint really matter? it is BPs offense and Payton was allowed to call plays inside that scheme…..don’t expect anybody else to have any more freedom than that even if it was Air Coryell or Bill Walsh or Al Saunders or Chris Palmer?
Personally the coach that most impressed me last year was Zimmmer. He had to coach 3-4 for the first time in his career. He started Rookie at the crucial OLB spot who had never played it and count the other true rookies that both started and contributed. Now mix in first time starters…….barely not rookies Brady James and Keith Davis?
Teams that overlooked these hot seat accomplishments are going to miss out on what I think is the future HC of the Dallas Cowboys. Zimmer has to be likcing his lips thinking about a Healthy Henry, Glenn, TNew…..and add a FA MLB or OLB along with one or two in the draft…….Canty and Spears with a full NFL season of weight training and nutrition? Those guys will be the BEAST OF THE NFC EAST NEXT YEAR>…..oh yeah and Glover will still be a Cowboy.
Zimmer could have easily been a fall guy with the new scheme and the new talent…….instead he did a good job. I think as Ware better learns the OLB position……we will see those 16 sacks……..or more. Bookend the guy so teams can’t just TE him to death…….and our Defense will win 10 games next year.
kinda odd that palmer signed a 2 year deal???
Don’t know much about Haley.. But I like his fire and emotion.. Lets see if it would translate into aggressive plays… not playing not to lose.
In regard to Draft..
I trust BP’s talent evaluation.. The proof is in the pudding. He has done an admirable job picking players who have done well for us so far and for the years to come. I think this is a deep draft with little drop-offs between many players at various positions. Look for Dallas trade down to pick more players.
Palmer was a coach in the CFL, USFL, and then coached on the Oilers staff? I didn’t know that until I read that article.
Does this mean he was coaching with the Oilers during the Jack Pardee “Run N Shoot” era? Ugh!! Funny that Parcells would end up hiring him not long after Pardee, since his offensive philosophy is pretty much the opposite of that.
Hey Cowboy Fans,
Palmer did sign a 2 year deal with Dallas.
His title is quarterback coach.
Looks like BP may also be OC.
It’s almost sad when you see a former head coach become an assistant and/or a coordinator. It must be a humbling experience!
sammy…..you ever see fear factor……those idiots do a lot worse things for a lot less money. Show some Pride I say.
Being second fiddle to the likes of Joe Gibbs made millionaires out of Al Saunders, Greg Williams, and Joe Bugle…….and Mike Martz is getting money from the Ford Foundation evidently.
I aint sure it is all that humbling.
a couple of these guys skipped working for da raiders….to go play 2nd fiddle……..Martz is the 2nd to stiff Davis and take the OC job at Detroit.
Really if you want less pressure and the same amount of money…..the better coordinators are getting paid….and seem to have choice in pay and location these days.
The Redskins just overpayed for yet another cordinator. I think their cordinator’s payroll is around $80 million lol. If Gibbs cant win with all that hes worse than I thought.
I’ve always thought Parcells would do well with a better OC, because it seems like he is much better at evaluating and developing defensive talent. So I did a little research, and since the 2002 draft, Dallas has selected 33 players (15 defensive, 18 offensive), I will now list them (If they have an A next to their name, they are doing well, and an F means they failed, and ill use a lowercase “a” for players that we aren’t sure about yet):
Offense: Defense:
Andre Gurode F Roy Williams A
Antonio Bryant F Derek Ross F
Jamar Martin F Pete Hunter F
Tyson Walter F Terrence Newman A
Deveron Johnson F Bradie James A
Bob Slowikowsli F BJ Tucker F
Al Johnson a Bruce Thornton F
Jason Witten A Nate Jones F
Zuriel Smith F Jacques Reeves A
Justin Bates F Demarcus Ware A
Julius Jones A Marcus Spears A
Jacob Rogers F Chris Canty A
Stephen Petermen F Kevin Burnett a
Sean Ryan a Jay Ratliff A
Patrick Crayton A
Marion Barber A
Rob Pettiti a
For the sake of argument, I counted “a”’s as a success, and found that we have a 60% success rate drafting for defense, compared with only 44.4% percent success on offense. Also, we have 4 starters or solid contributors from the second day of the draft on our defense, compared to 2 on our offense. Wouldn’t an offensively minded coach in the war room help this?
sorry about the chart,it was nice and spaced out when I made it.
I thought Roy Williams was drafted by Campo. I recall Terence Newman being the first player Parcells drafted as coach of the Cowboys because T-New had to fetch BP’s water that training camp with no star on his helmet. Taking out the 2002 draft class might change your numbers a little bit.
sab,
The first seven names on your list are Jerry/Campo draftees. Is your point to evaluate Parcells’ drafts or just the performance in those four years?
Roy was here when BP arrived…..so was Antonio Bryant……so was Pete Hunter.
Jacob Rogers had an injury that many recover from and I think is still on the roster. He looked good in Training camp til injury. But those are the breaks…..
Still a good analogoy….so your numbers might be skewed a bit……but you left a few of BP guys off.
He did draft Terry Glenn (although under Protest) and Drew Bledsoe and also drafted Jason Ferguson…….but not with the Cowboys they arrived via FA.
Look around the league at offense might be a better indicator. He drafted the likes of Troy Brown, Chad Pennington, Curtis “my favorite” Martian a future HOFer for sure, and in the old days guys like Hostetler Bavaro and others.
I think we might be able to draw comparisons to Troy Brown to say a Patrick Crayton……or who knows maybe one day Tyson Thompson learns to hang on to the football and block and he gives us a few herschel walker type years…….
I agree with your premise that it looks like he drafts better on D, and obviously he is a ball control run first, defensive minded coach that believes special teams and defense wins super bowls. Raf had some pieces on the success of Parcells draft last year that were extremely insightful……not sure they might still be archived here…..well worth looking at.
Originally, i was making a point on Parcells’ drafts, and I made a mistake. But really, the numbers can still stand, because they still show that we haven’t had a strong offensive evaluator for the past 4 years. Parcells has been better on offense, but far from good. Offensive Line has been a problem since he stepped foot in Dallas, and nothing has been solved.
sab:
I disagree completely. Julius Jones, Marion Barber, Jason Witten, these are all some of the best offensive players the Cowboy have drafted in the last decade. Bringing in Bledsoe is definitely a huge improvement over Quincy Carter. The trade for Key is debatable in some ways because Galloway finally did have a good year this last season, and who knows how good he could have been with a guy like Bledsoe instead of QC. I still think Key has done a great job as a possession receiver, so I give that trade a high grade also. The O-Line has been a problem for this team for a long time, and I would say that is Parcells’ biggest disappointment thus far. I doubt having a different offensive coordinator or “evaluator” would make that much difference with the O-Line though. O-Line are some of the most difficult positions to evaulate for a variety of factors.
As far as this offensive coordinator thing goes, I remember an interview with Parcells from about 1986. They were asking him about his offensive philosophy. He said he didn’t have too many plays, and didn’t want to have many plays. He said his goal is to keep it simple, run the same plays, and play so physical that even if the other team knows what’s coming they still can’t stop it. If a team can get to that point talentwise I personally think they will win more than a team like the Colts that rely on playcalling and audiblizing adjustments and who try to out-think their opponents. I’d rather have a team that rams the ball straight down their throat.
sab-How do those numbers and % compare to other teams in the NFL? Is BP above or below avg for Offense or Defense? I know it would take a lot of work to figure that out but I’ll give you extra credit if you do it.
Lets not forget that Joey Galloway was basically the same thing Terry Glenn is. I think he would be horrible if he was still in our system, so I give BP alot of credit for getting a guy that goes across the middle and picks up 1st downs.
mike,
I believe most Cowboys assistant coaches sign 2-year deals.
It also happens to coincide with the current length of Parcells’ contract.
I don’t think a head coach moving back
to an assistant position is any big deal these days.Being a head coach in todays nfl is a tough job you have to be part coach,part administrator, a
personnel guru(drafting andfreeagents
and P.R. specialist(kinda miss the days of Ditka and Mora yelling and cussing at the media) oh yeah and you better win.Most coaches aren’t given
much of a chance to grow on the job.
mr. bill
yah my thinking is palmer or even zimmer are head coach in training? id feel pretty safe to say in 2008 BP will not be HC in dallas.
Sterling:
Jones, Witten, and Barber I completely agree, and gave them all A’s. I looked completely at the draft, so the fact that Key has done so well is completely irrelevent.
Sean:
I’m working on it for everyone else.
I think everyone here knows that BP has done a great job on getting talent here in both the draft and free agency. I think we lose track of exactly how far we have come since BP got here.The team that campo and jerry built was just flat out horrible. Its taking more time than we as die hard fans would like, but were getting there. I for one, am not worried at all about what we will do in FA or in the draft. BP knows better than any of us what we need. I learned my lesson when I cussed BP up and down for passing on steven jackson. Not knocking jackson, but i still think that was a great move. My point is, we all know BP will do whats right for the team, trade down, trade up, stay put, doesnt matter to me. Its fun to speculate but again….no worries