Is Dallas Done With Free Agency? Update
Posted: March 27, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Just heard from a source who has spoken recently with Marcus Coleman’s agent. He says Dallas has not inquired about Coleman.
It looks more and more like Dallas will scratch that itch in the draft.
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I’m fine with that. I was hoping that Coleman would be signed, but if BP doesn’t want to bring in one of his guys, I have to think that it’s a good move.
According to ESPN, Cowboys will open their season @ Jacksonville, Sept. 10 at 3:45.
They will also play the middle game in a Thanksgiving triple header:
Buccaneers at Cowboys, 4:15 ET (FOX)
Those interior linemen get a trial by fire week 1. Henderson and Stoud are scary!
I agree as everyone else here that the Cowboys are concentrating on the draft right now. Although, they did sign Terry Glenn to a new 5 year contract.
http://www.cowboysplus.com/topstorync/stories/032806cpfreelede.68535d3c.html
His contract is more of a 2 or 3 year deal, already typed in the nflpa page:
2006 $2,000,000.00
2007 $820,000.00
2008 $1,740,000.00
2009 $2,000,000.00
2010 $4,950,000.00
http://www.nflpa.org/Members/playerProfile.asp?ID=23977
I think they are done with major FA moves. This extension implies that. They will use up some available cap room to extend guys now.
Man,
we get the love again. Two years ok, open in minn, last year, open in sandy eggo,
this year, open in jacks.
who wants to bet we have a tougher schedule than NYG or Wash despite the fact they went to the playoffs last year.
i can see Coleman being a fall-back guy at best now, after the draft, if needs cant be met. Personally, im ok with that. Also very pleased that TG will now retire a cowboy. another converted “cancer” good job cowboys!
Seems like resigning Glenn was a lower priority than resigning Witten or Williams. Either way, our WR corp is getting pretty darn Redskin like in terms of cap dollars.
Other than a disagreement with the Vandy move (just can’t shake the panic/desperation feeling of that), we did a great job in FA IMO. Could not have picked up better prospects for the money (given everyone that was out there). I particurily like the Kosier and Ayodele moves. I think BP has high hopes they were FA sleepers ready to bloom next year.
i just cant see how signing THE MOST ACCURATE kicker in the nfl is desparation. i would have preferred Mare, but he is still not available, to my knowledge. I like the Vandy signing, and all the others as well. The only thing id have liked to have done differently is to re-sign Keyshawn, but thats spilled milk now. GO COWBOYS!
I can’t wait until the draft. I seeing that my Buckeyes could have 5-6 players go with the first 45 picks. I hope Dallas ends up with one of them. I don’t think they’ll take Holmes in the first. But I think that Carpentar or even Whitner would feel a need ay LB or FS. Both those guys play with a MAJOR mean streak.
What is our current salary cap (under) now ?
Scott Wright still has us taking Santonio Holmes, then Jason Allen, the only pick I like, and then Spencer Havner. Maybe he doesnt know we signed Boiman and Adoyele is moving inside, because the Havner pick makes no sense whatsoever. If his mock draft proved right, I think we would drop back and take Lawson, with the Pats getting Carpenter and the Browns taking Wimbley at 12. I really want Wimbley though, hope he falls to 18.
bear with me on this post. i am a cowboys fan and a virginia tech hokies fan. so i have been watching both teams side by side and it is very bizarre how similar those two teams are. both have absolutely terrifying defense (hokies are famous for ‘beamer ball’), yet both teams couldn’t hack it because of offense. vick and bledsoe were not protected well. another bizarre similarity is style of offense. in one game alone, hokies used varieties of running backs rather than sticking to one star rb. cowboys did the same all season.
my point- I wouldn’t mind grabbing white (or any top rated rb) in the draft because i think parcells enjoy using the multi-rb per game method and having JJ and white and others meshed together seems deadly, let alone TO, witten, and glenn in the outfield. this will TREMDOUNSLY easen up the pressure at the 0-line. i know someone has to agree with me on this. plus i don’t like the fact we will waste a draft pick on OLB. OLB should be found in the free agency, not drafts. that’s just MY opinion. FA OLB are more experienced and stronger. I can’t see a draft pick doing better than FA. is this an immature opinion? as important the O-line is, why pass up on RB or WR (chad jackson) or any major offensive impact player in the draft??
This isn’t directed at ThePalisades, but why do so many bloggers hope to fix the oline by signing skill players?
IMHO, you fix the oline by signing better lineman. I hope we sign either Gilles or Spencer with one of our first 2 picks.
madcowboy,
amen to that. o line was our biggest problem and still is to me. the cowboys could draft OL in rounds 1, 2, and 3 and i would be thrilled
ThePalisades,
What OLB is available in FA that you want to sign? Arrington? He has stated he does not want to play for Dallas and he wants WAAAY too much money. Besides him, are there any others that could make a huge impact? After seeing Ware’s impact, I don’t see how anyone can say that drafting an OLB would be a wasted pick. LBers are among the few positions that can make immediate contributions starting day 1. Normally WRs, QBs, and OL take the most time to develop out of all positions on a team. To me, those picks are less important if the mentality is truly win now.
That doesn’t mean I would be disappointed to get Jean-Gilles, Spencer or another OL stud and I also wouldn’t mind Chad Jackson; however, we need an OLB in the draft with our first pick to help generate an effective pass rush. Drafting an OLB would also allow us to have quality depth in Singleton and Burnette and LB depth is key when you run the 3-4.
rha,
How is our WR salary cap even close to the Redskins? Even if the total cap hit for T.O, Glenn & Crayton is close to Moss, Lloyd & Randle El the talent level on our end is much better.
interesting link (i’m sure you die hards already know about this one).
it compiles 100s of “expert” mock picks for the first two rounds of the 2006 draft.
interesting
http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl-draft/teams/index.php?steam=Dal
we signed terry glenn to a 5 yr extension
according the composite board by rafael, lendale white’s average draft pick is 18.6. i died and went to heaven when t.o. signed with cowboys and the cherry topping was glenn’s contract extension. but if cowboys pick white, i’ll head right over to hell and party like a rockstar. yes i know we have holes to fill, but reality is we’ll never fill all the holes, nor will any team. so back off and let me have my fun and dream that we get white (because in reality i know we’ll prob sign an OLB or something in that nature). in college ball, white was known as a terrorizing short yardage player (while reggie bush did the dirty work with the long runs). getting first downs was white’s only job and the only reason why white get up in the morning. wouldn’t parcells love white doing the same thing for jj? he’d add a little more oomph to the running game and keep the clock burning. all fans here know that parcells love to run and burn the clock. if you think parcells will have bledsoe throw to t.o. and glenn more than running, you are sadly wrong. im kicking off to “get white” campaign. march with me.
itrust-
Hey, I wonder what Colemans value will be at one week or so after the draft. Could we pick him up for backup moneys if we pick up a project like,say Pat Watkins?
could that be the plan?
Madcowboy-
Agreed!
Lets just say that O-line isn’t the worst, most glaring need right now. But you and I Both know That given one little variable…say an injury, suspension, or one more year of playing, and this O-line has the potential to realy suck. Lets you and I call JJ and tell him that yes we need an OLB, but with the draft this deep he should trade down and get both!
RD 1-Trade down
RD 2a-Spencer
RD 2b-Havner (unless Carpenter is still there.)
RD 3-Watkins
RD 4-Woods
RD 5-Gradkowski
RD 6-Whocares
Whadya think?
i’m kicking off my “get white” campaign, here is my strongest arguement. even though texas was the rose bowl winner last year, everyone is probably more acquainted with usc’s run throughout the regular season being ranked #1 most of the season. everyone is probably even more acquainted with reggie bush’s performance. yes he had the most carries and most yardage, but in fact lendale white only had 3 less carries and actually 8 MORE td’s than reggie bush had. whenever usc was in the red zone, they entrusted the ball to lendal white because he is that terrorizing short yardage player. could you not see JJ doing the long yardage plays from our own territory and letting white handle the red zone? if all else fail, no problem- glenn, t.o., or witten will gladly finish the job. parcells love backs more than receivers- how could he pass up on white? i should’ve started this campaign earlier, i was all about chad jackson, but never did i dream that white would be ranked as long as 18 in the draft. this has to be one of the most under-rated draft pick on that composite list. is there a single soul in this blog that agrees with me?
Palisades-
I’ll agree on white if the next two or three picks are O-linemen, and a vet FA FB is signed.
You are sooo right about never filling all our holes, but I’d also like a decent OLB.
And Watkins at S
If we took
Rd1 M.Lawson
Rd2 D.Bullocks
Rd3 J.Trueblood
I would be happy with are day 1 picks
to all you who think drafting an o line is a good idea. you all prolly know that im not in favor for it. but the simple fact is is that were in a day and age where free agency should be the solution to lineman problems. you solve those problems through free agency by getting proven players who have already adapted to the speed of the game, getting a rookie will only make your problems worse and no matter what round you choose him in he will never be a sure thing.. its a lot different having the average D1 college athlete push you around than Ray Lewis and company comin at you full speed… drafting an o lineman is asking for trouble.. and i read earlier.. NO TEAM EVER WILL EVER HAVE ALL ITS HOLES FILLED. guys were a good team, we were three kicks away from being a 12-4 team last seaosn and competeed in every single game except 1 (second washinton game) and only lost one game all season by more than a touchdown (again washington. so dont worry about our team, and we are in a great position to do a lot of great things this season.. wait and see
We will not get a RB in the first day. I repeat, we will NOT get a RB in the first 3 rounds. You don’t waste the last two drafts. For better or worse, JJ & MBIII (with TT developing) are our running backs.
OL is still our biggest problem, though it may not be as glaring or critical. However, as has been stated ad nauseum, It takes 3 years to develop…3/5ths of our line are gone in 2-3 years.
However, now we can truly take the best athlete available at a number of positions in Rounds 1 & 2.
Expectations are that a first rounder starts, immediately. 2nd rounders are expected to be starters by year end. Even 3rd rounders have high expectations.
Where’s the need? Free Saftety, 3rd WR, OLB are the most obvious. OL, specifically OT & G are needed for depth and the future.
Trading down makes a ton of sense. We pick up more first day picks (for the OL) and grab 1 or 2 sure starters. Most likely OLB & FS late in round 1 and early Round 2, assuming we have another second, third, or early fourth.
It will put pressure on Ireland to really find the bloomers in rounds 3-4 like Canty & Ratliff last year, except this time on the OL, WR, and CB. Aaron Glenn is getting old and a late round pick will be necessary.
I do love our position. If we got no one else, we’re in a position to compete. FS, OLB, and massive improvements in the OL (either FA or draft) will mean this team is special.
The ‘Boys are back!
White is perhaps underrated, but I doubt BP goes for best possible player when its our turn. He’ll draft out of need for than anything else, and we don’t need another RB.
first we had eric r. w/his chas. woodson campaign…
next, my pal cas, w/his “PLEASE move up for vernon davis” movement…
and finally, to the fore w/his lendale white championing, we have in the blue and white trunks, the pallisades…keep it up fellas, the more contentious, the better! :-)
btw, the brakes on my ol’ ford granada went out one time on sunset blvd. in the pallisades…got her stopped, but that’s the last ford i ever owned.
Pittsburg deperately needs White to replace the Bus. If Lendale is really #18, I would trade the pick to the Steelers, get extra picks, then probably trade out of round 1 into early round 2 if I could. Deep drafts at need positions means picking up lots of players if possible, since no draft pick is ever a sure thing.
that would be a pretty good solution for the steelers, but they might not want that high of a prospect if they still want to groom willie parker
personally, ithink we should definetly not draft White, but go after a OLB(carpenter) in RD 1. IN RD 2 go after FS(bullocks). In the 3rd round (o-line) and 5th round a WR. After that BPA. What do you guys think. This would solve our problems.
Cowboy Bert
Pittsburgh got 3 comp. picks for the players they lost so it is a possibility.
b drum, nice .. wishes can come true somtimes. but of all the wishes you have mentioned i beleive mine to be the most helpful to the team.
well cas, we DO have a new trading partner in naw’lins…with a very high pick.
Casual
Ok lets hear it again, how V.davis will open our offense some much because he’s so awesome!
vernon davis is a bleedin’ freeque!!!
but i think it’s gonna go:
- olb
- fs/ol
- ol/fs
- te/cb/bpa
interesting.. googled ‘nfl mock draft’ and the first five mock drafts that I selected all pointed to cowboys getting holmes (the #1 WR on the draft market). none mentioned the o-line needs. are they stats ignorants or are us cowboys fan not in touch with reality and all gaga over the o-line? i have no idea. regardless, all mock drafts i saw agreed that white will definitely be on the market by the time cowboys get a pick. reason being is that the teams that wanted white went through some free agency signings that eliminated the need of getting white. so if all the mock drafts are accurate, white will definitely be available. hence, i shall continue my “get white” campaign.
reviews–
“A powerful runner who bruises and wears down the opposing defense”
“Always falls forward for the extra yard”
“A bruising physical runner who has a nose for the end zone . Hard to bring down and will gain those tough short yards”
sound a match made in heaven for BP family? he won’t be getting any stink stares.
Why are we spending money on extending Glenn? We should be extending Roy, James, and Whitten.
The Palisades,
White is going to Denver at 15. Book it. Mike Shanahan let Mike Anderson go and was carping on Tatum Bell late last year. He’s been using a committee in recent years but I can’t see him passing up a marquee back.
Yeah, he also needs a WR, but if Dallas passes on Santonio Holmes, WHICH IT WILL, Denver could well get its choice of WRs at pick 22.
Matt,
I believe Glenn’s extension will precede those for James, Williams, Witten and Newman.
chris, lol i dont even have to explain to you why vernon davis would help us out, you would have to be a moron to not take him if you were given the chance, ESPECIALLY if he fell to your spot.. i on the other hand would be doing all i can to trade up just to get his servises. but again thats me and you dont have to share that opinoin.. i think its me that should be hearing your explanation on why we should take a bust first round lineman which you think we should be taking lol. you make me laugh, you wanna a lineman who willnever amount to anything over vernon davis.. hahaha
I hope Dallas takes Lutui, O G from USC. He was responsible for many of the gaping holes that White & Bush ran through this year. I am a HUGE longhorns fan, and he absolutely killed Rodrick Wright this year in the Rose Bowl. Never heard Wright’s name called once.
Casual
I guess u will talk this V.davis junk everyday untill april 29 when 49ers break your little heart
im going to be crazy about whoever we pick, if they perform like last years rooks, at ANY position. Manny Lawson is definitely my pick at 18. or wimbly
Seems to me that BP and JJ feel they have addressed the OLine in FA anough that they don’t “need” top draft high to help it I think they will either plug in some if the yget some picks trading down or later on in the draft(second day)
what is columbos health status?
Casual-
What I was getting at was an OL around late RD#2 or RD#3. The comment about taking all OL after White was more my way of saying that RB may not be the problem, but a crappy Run block from the OL.
I still say OLB, OL, FS, Then Who cares.
But you know buddy, I too worship V. Davis, sooo…
But as I’ve said before, I like the guy, so JJ WILL NOT DRAFT HIM!!! It’s a fullproof method of predicting Dallas’ draft. LOL
the almighty V.davis will be gone at the 6th pick, so i got my eyes set on Manny Lawson, Ware and lawson on each side = at least 16 sacks a year for years to come
finally, Chris and I agree on something,lol
although, if and thats a big if VD were to drop to 18, then id snag him
itrust-
Try this draft report, click on position and voila! Compare lawson and wimbley. It looks to me that both would be a reach at 18 and Lawson is more athletic, and plays spt. HMMM
http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl-draft/positions/defensive-ends.php
gunnerklein and casual
its 3rd and goal were on the 5 yard line are throwing to Witten the 6′6 264 lbs sure handed all pro te or you throwing to the 6′3 260 great athlete but un polished te V.davis?
If the Cards get V. Davis at 10 LOOKOUT!! Thats Warner throwing to Davis, Fitzgerald, Boldin, and if nothing is there (yeah, right) dump to edge. They might actually win some. I’d be willing to trade down to prevent that. I heard that when Arizona wins games the sun is blocked out in phoenix and the earth shakes with snow falling from the sky. No realy it’s true!
Chris-
If we draft Davis it’ll be my pick then so either or! HAHAHAHAHA
(sory for the evil cackle)
Hey Chris-
I know these other guys’ opinions in this, but of the “sleepers” currently on our roster, who do you like most?
I’m
1 Al Johnson
2 Petitte
3 Polite
rafael-
bottom line, i think it comes down to broncos’ decision whether to draft a WR or RB first. they are def choosing both positions with their #15 and #22 pick. history has shown that broncos never selects a RB as first round pick. history may be useless after denver’s unfortunate salary cap losses. with the signing of T.O., i feel broncos may gamble and choose a RB at #15 thinking cowboys will pass up holmes or jackson and then get either holmes or jackson at #22 which is prob what you’re thinking too. but…… i’ve read that deangelo williams running style may fit broncos’ system better than white. williams’ college stats seem to be more impressive and he is ranked #2 in most draft reports with white in #3. regardless, lets say broncos goes for WR at #15, and white is still on the market by #18. can you see JJ choosing white?
gunner:
eeeeeeeeeeeee-villllllllllll!!!!!!!!
…indeed.
:-)
Sory, 4 TT
Polite
Yeah, I had him at 3 then changed him and Pettite. I guess his fire impressed me this year. Does Polite realy have hands of stone, or are people saying that to prove their point. I never realy noticed it.
i like polite, and petitti. i thought polite made a few really nice catches
The Palisades,
They don’t take RBs high, but there is a team that feels it’s only one or two players away from a Super Bowl. White looks like a plug-him-in and watch him go player, which is why I don’t think he’ll be there. Somebody will grab him before 18 and Denver just makes too much sense for me.
Gunner:
A reach is taking Quincy Carter in the 2nd. Getting ahead of somebody else at a position of need is less drastic a reach. Look what SF did last year, taking Smith #1. That’s typical with QBs and rush DEs. Now, with all the 3-4s around, rush OLBs/tweeners will be the same, I’d venture. Nobody knows what Vince Young will do as a pro, but somebody will take him really high, just because QB is such a “need” position for so many teams. A “safe” pick would probably be D’Brick or Hawk, but teams will gamble based on need and might take Leinart or Cutler instead.
Raf, i have seen some drafts having Deangelo Williams going as high as 13, to the ravens, do you see this happening?
lol @ quincy in the 2nd
The nice thing about being relatively set most everywhere is not getting involved in overspending for too many positions. I would not be too surprised to see an OLB taken later than we think, even in the 5th (since no 4th), who ends up starting, if that is the way the board falls. I doubt it, but I wouldn’t be too shocked if it happened.
Bert-
You mean Quincy carter stunk?! But he has the same birthday as JJ!!
Good point on beating other teams to the punch though. Especialy when 4 of the top 6 OLB’s are undersized for the 3-4.
I see polite as weapon, I see getting about 5 td catches this year, because there be so many other players to worry about that he will go on notice in the redzone, he run that same route out of the backfield like he did vs the eagles
I,m not chris, but I say pettiti easily.
itrust-
since we gave up 2 1st rounders for Galloway, does that mean he rated a negative 1st rounder?
LMAO!
I kill me.
a double negative lol
well, bedtime here guys, talk to yall tomorrow
Read this from 1998 about our draft and Moss’ coments warning teams not to pass on him.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/events/1998/nfldraft/news/1998/04/10/cowboys_package/
Ebenezer ekuban, dwayne goodrich, Carter, Until Roy our 1st pick realy stank! Some even questioned Roy as a pick.
Pretzel, you’re always welcome. everyone with a good attitude and some intelligent input.
OK, if Galloway cost two picks, but was traded for Keyshawn, who was cut to make cap space for Terrell…
Actually, regarding Galloway’s two #1s: Tex did it once, too, trading two #1s to Baltimore the year Ed Jones decided to box for John Dutton. Dutton had been a good right DE for Baltimore, Dallas moved him (unsuccessfully) to left DE, and he ended up playing DT for a few years before retiring. The Cowboys did not recover until after JJ bought the team. Losing the two #1s killed getting needed players.
gunnerklein,
thanks for posting the story on Moss. Great find. It really gives some good insight into that time period. Nothing against Ellis at all, but man oh man, can you imagine if we had had Moss all these years?
Oh well, hindsight is 20-20.
The T.O. era has begun.
chris, i dont have a clue as to why you see vernon davis wouldnt help this team.. its beyond me why you think so, but to be honest, i really dont give two $h!ts… i dont think your points have much intellegance to them, if vernon davis were to drop to your spot you wouldnt take him because he is unproven in the NFL.. hmmmmmmm lemme think NO COLLEGE PLAYER ENTERING THE DRAFT IS PROVEN IN THE NFL!!!!!!! and for some extremely odd reason you were syain you would rather have an o lneman, who is the HARDEST BY FAR to get “NFL ready” vernon davis is prolly the most ready any college has ever been to succeed in the NFL.. but ok, ill let your words go in one ear and right out the other
Yeah, or even wistrom. I actualy went to elementry school with Wistrom. Big happy fat kid. WOW.
easy cas- it’s a different opinion, that’s all. you can scroll over his posts.
at one point in time ,1998 to be precise, we could have had randy moss(if we would have drafted him), jimmy smith(if we would have kept him when we drafted him), mike irvin(before he went down with injury), and jay Novecek as our receiver TE’s… and emmitt smith and troy in the back feild. thats insane.. offense would have won those games alone
gunner, meant no harm, we have been bickering back and foreth for a couple days now.. i heard we were moving up in the draft and i struck the opinoin of wanting davis, and he had differnce of opinoin, just bickering, no harm intended.. were all rooting for the same team
Yeah, and don’t forget the immortal Chan Gailey to fumble around on the sideline and cringe whenever JJ came around.
Reminded me of Coach Klein in Waterboy.
hahahahaha coach klein
Cool, I know, I just don’t want some of you guys to start leaving. I’ve noticed some of the old-timers have drifted off as this site has gotten more popular.
Now follow along…Kum-ba-ya…
itrustintuna,
No. The Ravens just gave Jamal Lewis an extension. He’s their starter. Those mocks were assuming he would leave, as Chester Taylor had as well.
You don’t spend the 13th pick in the draft to form a RB committee.
lol, yeah why is that??? i have been reading forever and posted all last summer, but i stopped after the draft. why havent some of the old timers been coming in?
raf… i know you wouldnt try to move up to 8 to get vernon daivs, but what WOULD you give to get him , if he was a guy who you think would help your offense out a lot
anyone for that matter feel free to tell me what you would give to get vernon davis on your team
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9232134
I just wanted to point out that These people GET PAID TO DO THIS!!!
These are truly mediots. Scroll down past the trade for characters part to the bad predictions Keep going down…It continues and has them by team, and category.
Cas-
A bunch of them were complaining (some rightfully so) that the attitude here was getting too negative and there was too much name calling.
I was just trying to get you to cool down though, you sounded pretty danged hot.
BTW I’d give this years 1st, next years 1st, and this years 3rd. You think anyone would bite…I’d be planning on this being a deep TE draft, so someone might. I just checked my charts after saying that… By my charts I’m pretty close
Understand I’d be giving up My starting OLB and next years or 2008 starting OL. Could loose my safety too and next year could be our wideout. Hmmm
It’s time for bed y’all. Big day tomorrow, going to the field for maneuvers. See ya either tomaorrow night or thursday night.
Casual,
If Dallas were coming off a Super Bowl appearance, I’d give up a lot to get him. But they’re not, so I wouldn’t give up very much if anything at all.
If, somehow, he got into the 14-15 range, I’d move up to get him. But I’m hearing rumors now that he’ll either be a 49er or Raider. After his Indy workouts, I projected him to Oakland. He’s Al Davis’ type of guy and that’s where I think he’ll wind up.
If that happens, Aaron Brooks will think he’s died and gone to heaven — at least until he watches the Raiders D. Still, Randy Moss, Jerry Porter and Davis. Deep speed at the WR and TE positions with a power back in Lamont Jordan.
That’s the Raiders’ formula Davis perfected in the ’60s. It’s been a while since he’s been able to reassemble it but it should make for some wild AFC Western shootouts this year.
Palisades…….
VaTech…..or Beamer Ball is the closest thing to Parcells football at the collegiate level…..even more so than Saban or Groh…..even though they run the 3-4. Beamer is defense, special teams, two TE sets and smash outh run it up the gut with a thunder and lightning combo of Rbs.
The only problem with your thesis….is the deepest position for the Dallas Cowboys is the tailback spot. Where we have Julius, Marion and Tyson. If healthy they project as two premium backs and one……uh fumbling punt and kick return special teamer that if he learns to hold on could be the fastest thing out of our backfield since ole number 33 turned the corner on Minnesota and went untouched for 99 and one half yards.
If OLB is a wasted pick…..then give away Ware, Merriman, and all the other successful linebackers taken in last years first round from their team…….but first you gotta ask yourself. What would Frank Beamer do?
He would probably Draft Darryl Tapp over Lendale White!!! and Tapp ain’t even got the athletic ability to play OLB in the 3-4 but that is beamer ball. Defense Defense Defense……and blocking and tackling and special teams…..running backs are a dime a dozen in the nfl these days…..go look at Green Bay last year for why the Dallas Cowboys will not be drafting a Tailback in this years draft.
raf, while i think he is far more valuable then little to nothing.. i honestly think he would help open up our offense, if we dont trade up i say go after LB.. but honestly vernon davis i think is the best talent in this draft.. even reggie bush. and i wouldnt mind going after him at all
gunner and cas-you know, another factor for people not posting is— it’s not football season! I keep checking in but not everyone spends their Februarys and Marches microanalyzing every move! And the discussions tend to get repetitive. Right now it’s all speculation anyways…I’ll just wait for the draft and see-and keep reminding everyone that there will be players cut during camp and that is probably where we will find competition for Davis at FS… and maybe another OLineman
larry. lol yes i agree my girlfriend just called me a loser for being on this thing all the time and so late. but what can i say im die hard… i love my boys!!!!!!
casual:
She’s just jealous that you have such a crush on V. Davis :o)
Just looked in at all the comments this morning….
ThePalisades,
You never answered my question after I responded to your post…what LB is available in FA that you think justifies us not taking one in the draft? I agree 100% with what Fighter wrote in post 29. I wrote something very similar in another thread except I added the fact that JJ already has two of the top four single game rushing performances in the 40+ years of franchise history. He’s only been with the club for two years and has had a terrible line in front of him. How can you not give him a chance and see what he can do if the line in front of him is actually good??
Raf (post 42),
I have to disagree with you on Denver’s picks. I really think they are positioning themselves to move up and get Davis. As you said, they are 1 or 2 players away (in their mind) and they let Putzier walk. They won’t worry about a RB as they have Bell and Dayne. Dayne is not the fat slob he was in NY. He trimmed down a little and looked good for them last year. Denver uses a very similar blocking style as the OL he ran behind in college. I think White is not a big enough increase in talent to what they have when compared to the increase in talent Davis would be to their current TE. They have a good track record for getting RBs later in the draft if they’re not happy with the Bell/Dayne combo plate. I also don’t think they’re interested in taking a WR as they have a win now mentality and it would be doubtful that this weak WR crop will give them an immediate contributor.
Casual,
I know you said no harm intended with post 82, but when you say things like “I don’t think your points have much intellegance to them” that does sound like harm was intended. So I have to agree with what gunner wrote to you on that. Also, if you try to knock someone’s intellegance, at least spell the word intelligence correctly! (Please don’t take that personally, I’m just bustin’ your chops a little…I know we all type fast on sloppy on this, but I couldn’t resist). And to answer your question on what I’d give up for Davis…I’d give up a second day pick or a 2nd or 3rd rounder next year. Believe me, I’d love to have the guy on this team with his freakish talent, but as Raf said, we’re not close enough to give up what we’d need to in order to get him.
If I had to judge the one single player in this draft, that could have the biggest affect upon the Dallas team THIS season, it would be DE Mario Williams…I would use him in the manner of a slightly larger Willie McGinnest, as the strong side outside linebacker…similar to what Peppers is on Carolina. If I had to target one player, he would be it, and I would mortgage very much of next year’s draft, to get him…and he would be my sole target to move up for…
He would have a prominent role during first and second downs, when the run would have to be protected, as well as provide top level and an opposite side, strong side at that, pressure on passing down…and with Canty and Spears providing pocket collapsing pressure, Ware and Williams would make the current secondary VERY effective. His weakness in pass coverage, would not be any more than what occurs when Greg Ellis is required to drop back in coverage on blitz packages…He would also pay off a lot in package box play, as he would pair up very well at a ‘true’ defensive end position…in the 4-3, a front line of Williams, Ferguson, Spears, and Ware would be pretty tough on opposing quarterbacks…with the roaming of Ayodele, James, and Burnett behind them, a pretty nice picture…I would trade off lack of top end speed, to control the perimeters of opposing offenses, and forcing them to try and attack Spears, Ferguson, Canty, Ayodele, and James!
As long as we’re talking bizarre, how much would anyone give up to get in a position to take D’brick? Next yr. 1 & 2? I’ll duck now……INCOMING
I was initially concerned the signing Glenn to a 5 yr 20m deal was getting us in the Redskins territory of cap hell, but his is actually very friendly given the moderate amount of guaranteed money. Good job on this one.
Guys,for everyone who is still worried about the o-line, let me make a point. How many of you were complaining about the line last year before Flo got hurt? i thought it was juut fine,with Bledsoe having his best games. Not only do we get a healthy Flo back this year,but we signed a very solid bookend tackle on the other side(Fabini), the line just instantly got better! Now lets face it, I loved LA, but his game has clearly dropped signifigantly the past 2 or so years, so replacing him isn’t the loss everybody thinks it is. The way the Boys jumped on Kosier so quickly when free agency started, they must know that he is capable of stepping at at left guard. barring any major injuries, the line should be fine,what do ya think?
CCBoy,
Wow, do you have Super Mario mixed up with someone else? “A slightly larger Willie McGinest”? Are you serious? Williams is two inches taller and 25 pounds heavier than McGinest and that’s before he hits the NFL. He’ll probably add another 5 to 10 lbs on his frame when he gets to the pro offseason workouts with whatever team takes him. I don’t see a 300+ pounder player OLB. He would be a great DE for the 3-4, but not an OLB. As for DE, we already have Canty and Spears so I wouldn’t trade up at all for Williams.
LouG:
Totally agree.
LA has come to camp last 2 years out of shape & overweight. He would of been a project for BP this year & clearly could not handle an outside speed rush. He also was not getting 10 yards deep on running plays like he use to.
I would however start looking for some young players in the draft, Our line is now pretty much made up of older vets now. It would be nice to have 1 or 2 young talents in the mix.
…as to Brick’, are we going to dump Flozell and move on? This brings up the question of offensive tackle…do the Cowboys bring on a top notch, potentially round one left tackle to sit behind Flozell for three to four years? Most teams go with a workable and dependable, as opposed to dominant player to back-up for left tackle…and a couple of these types of players are already on the team…one, being Fabini, who could fill if Flozell has another injury.
The question that is raised at that point, is whether you are going for an offensive tackle, or an offensive guard…high up in the draft. Do you go ahead, due to quality at the position, in this year’s draft at tackle, just take a tackle high up to sit behind Flozell and Fabini, because neither of them are going to sit, unless they are both injured. The Cowboys already have an alternative at right tackle for further development, and that is Petitti…so the logical solution to improving the youthfullness at the offensive line position, would be a player such as Charles Spencer, or even Ryan Callaghan, who could play a future dominant right tackle as well as guard initially…and this would give much greater flexability…and then add a guard/center, later in the draft…
as to pin-ball action, if you don’t consider possibilities, you sometimes lose out on possibilities of really progressing, trying to manage ‘numbers’….
cowboy bert
Actually, we gave up 1st- and 2nd-round picks in 1980 to get Dutton. I suspect our downfall in that decade had more to do with 10 straight years of mostly poor 1st-round picks, than that particular transaction.
Here are our 1st-round draft picks between 1977 (Dorsett) and 1988 (Irvin):
1978 - Larry Bethea
1979 - Robert Shaw
1980 - None (Dutton trade)
1981 - Howard Richards
1982 - Rod Hill
1983 - Jim Jeffcoat
1984 - Billy Cannon Jr.
1985 - Kevin Brooks
1986 - Mike Sherrard
1987 - Danny Noonan
An unrelieved succession of duds, with the possible exception of Jeffcoat. No wonder our talent level was so low when Jones bought the team. The computer-driven draft machine of Brandt, Landry and Schramm, which had worked so well until that period, had blown a chip.
I have Williams at 6-6 and 285…but have you really watched him play. He is very agile…I don’t see any problem with him coming DOWN ten pounds, and into a linebacker range. I don’t really look for this to be an option, but presented it merely as a possibility, but I could see a comparison between his actual on the field presence and a strong outside linebacker, where they DO effectively approach 270….and then, you are again in a comparison to some very good talent once again…making the MOST dramatic affect as how he would fit it…
CCBoy,
What makes you think that Fabini is untouchable at RT? He only got $1.75 million as a signing bonus. That is not going to ensure a starting job. If we get someone better, Fabini will sit. For that matter, if Petitti improves enough, Fabini will sit.
I should also point out that Adams will be 31 and Fabini 32 this year. They are both at the age that, even if their abilities aren’t in decline, they are more susceptible to injury.
I’ve also heard some talk about Pettiti moving to guard at some point. How would that play in the mix?
Mr.Bill, Did you really have to remind us of that awful period of 1st round draft picks? All I can remember is Rod Hill muffing the punt against the deadskins.Your point is well taken though.
CCBoy,
Every site I have found shows Mario at 6′7″ and between 290 and 295. Sorry, I just don’t see it happening. It would be much easier for someone 6′7″ to move from 290 or 295 to 300 than to move down to 270. You are right about one thing though, the guy is incredible. One of the sites shows he did 35 reps on the bench. That’s amazing considering reps are harder to do with long arms and he’s got a decent wingspan.
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/de/mariowilliams.html
http://www.fantasyfootballjungle.com/y/nfl-draft/positions/defensive-ends.php
http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2106572
http://www.nflfans.com/x/2006/showplayer.php?key=Mario%20Williams*
http://www.nfldraftalmanac.com/index.php?c=37&a=368
Mr. Bill
Do YOU really think that Fabini is of shallow material as to require immediate substitution, when he was clearly Parcells’ choice coming in…does rationalizing give the freedom to totally discount the wisdom in a very effective offensive line developer, to do just that? You can say almost anything you want, with a statistic, but I think that Parcells has pretty close to the type of environement that HE wants in the offensive line grouping, and from this point, he will protect his interests, with either a projected offensive guard, who can bump out to tackle, as does Kosier at present, say, a Charles Spencer, or even Ryan Callaghan, who could play guard also, and at just a slight NFL adjustment period…
that set aside, why would we expect Flozell to be any more of a liability than the left tackle at Seattle at present. I don’t see TOO many articles clamoring for an immediate replacement for him-either…AND Flozell was compared close to his level of play prior to his injury last season.
As to quality of line, still declining along the Cowboy’s offensive line, maybe you should take an immediate refresh of who was along the Dallas offensive line for the past five years…and compare present projections…
Realisticly, how many real starter quality players can be added in THIS draft…two? at most-three? with adjustments….except for one or two potential players, you are no further along by just adding another number!!
CCBoy:
Look at the big picture, Parcells doesn’t want to get caught with his pants down again, what if Petitti doesn’t progress anymore than what we saw last year? Fabini’s in the wing. What if Flozell goes down injured again (I’m crossing my fingers…)? Fabini’s in the wing. What if this year or next a Tackle is Drafted and decides that Football isn’t his priority in life (like Rogers)? Fabini’s in the wing.
BTW, last season even when Adams was on the field, the running game was nowhere to be found, that was because of the OLine play. Do you see the running game much changed with just the addition of Kosier?
BTW2, with Adams, Rivera and Fabini the line is a lot older than what Dallas had 3, 4 or even 5 years ago.
Chandus:
Are you related to Chan Gailey?
CCBoy:
Well, if we look at the past season Draft… Dallas won’t be in need to add another set of 4 capable starters, they do need one, maybe 2 (OLB, FS) and lots of better quality depth.
keystone:
Is Chan his last name, nope it’s Gailey, is Gailey my last name? Nope, that would be a strange last name where I’m living. As far as I know, Gailey doesn’t have relatives in Mexico…
No way Dallas moves up in this years draft. But I would bet top dollar they move down, maybe even out of the first all together. Especially if they get a deal like they did with Buffalo. This team is close to going all the way, but they’re not there yet. We still need an influx of young players.
Dallas has had a great FA period - not over-paying, but still getting top-quality talent.
Games are won in the trenches and that’s exactly how BP is building this team. Last year it was DL and LB. This year it will be OL/LB/FS. By drafting youth for the trenches, Dallas is betting on those picks hitting their prime in a couple of years. When that part of the building process is complete, you then can draft/sign FAs to fill holes. This is a great plan, but I still think this team is 1-2 years away from the Bowl.
I think our OL was settled with our FA signings. Kosier is a solid addition, he opens some holes and moves o.k. I am glad Allen is gone. He was good in the first quarter, but he wore down and would lean by the end of the game. Anyone notice his mouth piece dangling by the 3rd quarter? We will be upgraded on the OL, so I think we should wait to the 3rd or 4thrd. to draft someone.
hi guys does anyone know when the nfl draft is?
One other doooooh, in the draft-possibility…what if Buffalo decides to go the Tampa type of defense, and decides that Ngata is NOT enough mobile enough to fit their new style of defense, and Ngata starts to slide…do the Cowboys then go ahead and take him even if slightly higher than #18?
CCBOY,
Ngata will not slip to the cowboys at 18. Romeo Crennel has publically stated that if Ngata were there at 12, that he is their pick
CCBOY,
Ngata will not slip to the cowboys at 18. Romeo Crennel has publically stated that if Ngata were there at 12, that he is their pick
ccboy: ngata would never make it past the iggles at 14…that WOULD be horrible.
I think its April 29th, at the radio city music hall.
No way Mario Williams could play OLB, he could play DT before that. Hes huge, and I agree hes the best defensive, maybe overall, player in the draft.
Vernon Davis will be good-great, in the Shockey/Witten area, but not as good as everyone is hyping him to be. SF will pick him up, they have nobody on offense. Everyone is taking his combine a little too far, there have been guys that rip it at the combine and dont do a thing in game. If anybody out there is going back and watching every game, and hes that unstoppable, then fine. But dont judge the kid on the combine where they dont even wear pads.
Also, on Lendale White, dont forget he had the best offense in a VERY LONG TIME around him. If Matt Leinhart doesnt get the credit because his offense weapons were so great, then neither should White. He had people like Justice, Litui, etc to run behind, a good FB, that TE that will go pretty high, cant remember his name, Reggie Bush next to him, Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarret at WR, and Leinhart throwing. Half of us on this board could have put up some decent numbers in that scheme.
I would love Ngata but he wont get past 12, even with them signing Ted Washington. Hes real old anyway. But if the Rams want Tye Hill, who will be there at 18, and we want to move to 11, well…..
Would love to see Tamba Hali as a Cowboy.Great intensity.
Anyways to add some actual research to the fold I’ve compiled the 2006 Madden ratings to the list of free agents we’ve gained and lost this off season. Although not very scientific, I believe these Madden ratings provide some actual value of pure talent (before the TO controversy and before last season’s injuries).
Free Agents Lost/Retired
Dat Nguyen 91
Laroi Glover 96
Dan Campbell 81
Keshawn Johnson 87
Larry Allen 94
Billy Cundiff 80
Scott Fujita 83
Terrell Owens 98
Mike Vanderjagt 95
Akin Ayodele 88
Kyle Kosier 80
Ryan Hanham 64
Granted we lost some talent this year, I feel like we made some significant strides towards improving our team. Ayodele is a significant upgrade over Fujita and Owens is a significant upgrade over Johnson. We lost some pure talent in Allen but replace him with Kosier who is young, versatile and hopefully improving. Vanderjagt is a huge upgrade over Cundiff as well. Granted Hanham is a downgrade from Campbell talent wise overall, he is only needed for blocking and he is cheaper.
Haha I forgot about Jason Fabini at 90
Now what am I trying to say here? We got Fabini 90, Kosier at 80, Gurode at 80 (for a guard-he drops down to 76 at center), Johnson at 76, Rivera at 95, and Adams at 89. What does this mean? It means a lot of things but most importantly it means simple enough from a talent perspective we are not lacking at the OL position. We lack cohesion which takes time. It also shows that the Tackle position may be shored up from a talent perspective and all we’re lacking is a true center. Can Gurode or Johnson be the answer? I personally dont think so. I think Mangold could be an option, although not a necessity. We got Peterman and Colombo in the wings so hopefully that adds some depth. But in all honesty, I think OLB is the position we look at in the first round.
1) OLB (Carpenter, Greenway, Wimbley, Lawson)
2) G, T (Latui, Scott, Winston, etc)
3) FS (Simpson possibly, Bullocks possibly, Manning likely)
We can grab a NT in the later rounds instead of going for Watson.
What I think everyone fails to notice is we have been drafting OL in the draft. They just have not