Parcells At the Bat — Updated
Posted: March 29, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
One year ago, I created a breakdown of Bill Parcells’ first day drafting tendencies and his success. I’ve updated it, adding his 2005 picks. It suggest Dallas should stay put at 18, or at least stay in the first round if it trades down. It also suggests that Dallas won’t go for an offensive tackle or safety in round one, unless Parcells is willing to break his tendencies this late in his career.
This list take into account all of Parcells’ New England picks (’93-96), New York Jets picks (’97-’00) and Cowboys picks (’03-’05). Players who became NFL starters are counted as hits.
Round One
Picks  12, Hits  12, Average  100%
By position: 2 QBs, 4 DEs, 2 CBs, 2 LB, 1 WR, 1 TE
Notes: Every one of these twelve players  Drew Bledsoe, Willie McGinest, Terry Glenn, Ty Law, James Farrior, Chad Pennington, John Abraham, Shawn Ellis, Anthony Becht, Terrence Newman, Demarcus Ware and Marcus Spears  is still starting in the league.
Round Two
Picks  14, Hits  9, Average  63%
By position: 3 OG, 3 LB, 2 WR, 1 OT, 1 RB, 1 C, 1 DT, 1 DE, 1 SS
Notes: Parcells best positions have been guard  Randy Thomas, Todd Rucci, David Loverne  and linebacker  Ted Johnson and Chris Slade. His biggest misses were d-linemen  Chris Terry and Dorian Boose  and the wide receiver Kevin Lee. His best picks were SS Lawyer Milloy and RB Julius Jones.
Round Three
Picks  11, Hits  6, Average  54%
By position: 2 WR, 2 FS, 1 NT, 1 C, 1 RB, 1 CB, 1 LB, 1 TE, I OG
Notes: It’s boom or bust. The booms, however, are some of Parcells’ best selections ever  Curtis Martin, Tedy Bruschi, Jason Witten and Laveranues Coles.
Overall: You can see why I want Dallas to stay in round one. It’s hard to argue with a 100% success rate. Note also that Parcells goes for the foundational positions — quarterbacks, pass rushers, cornerbacks and once (under protest) for a wide receiver. I’ve listed three DEs and two LBs, but let’s take a closer look at those positions, since there is some overlap. The ends are Willie McGinest, John Abraham, Shawn Ellis and Marcus Spears. The linebackers are Ware and James Farrior.
Those four ends all played in 4-3s in their pro or college careers. If you put them in a 3-4, the breakdown goes as follows:
OLB (3) - McGinest, Abraham, Ware;
DE (2) - Ellis, Spears;
ILB (1) - Farrior
Dallas doesn’t need another DE after getting Spears, Chris Canty and Jay Ratliff last year. It does need another pass rushing OLB. If a top QB like Jay Cutler somehow fell to 18, Dallas might consider him. Same with a cornerback. Parcells’ conniption fit after Glenn was foisted on him suggests Santonio Holmes and Chad Jackson will play somewhere else. And all you TE dreamers out there — forget about it. Vernon Davis would make the passing game insane, but he won’t break the top ten and even if he did, Parcells only took a TE high the year he had four #1 draft picks, and the TE was taken last.
Looking at round two, the best bets appear to be guard or safety, if history is any guide. Whomever he drafts, know that round two has been every bit as bad for Parcells as round one has been good. Keep your fingers crossed.
If a LB is not taken in round one, you can bank on Parcells getting one here. It’s his favorite position, with 7 of 37 day one picks going for LBs.
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Wow, that’s a great assessment. I know BP has been pretty good with the first picks, I have a very intersting or gut feeling (could be also because I’m hungry) that perhaps Jay Cutler is there and we make a play for QB. If we do that would be quite a commitment and know that if that would happen we probably will have seen the last of drew henson. I really hope we trade down and get more picks, but with draft as had been made mention before will be one of the most tough drafts to predict.
Aloha
Rafael-I need a little help from someone that has good understanding of the odds but I think if some team were to trade their 2nd and 3rd for our 1st; what would be our odds of getting 2 starters vs the odds of us getting our 1 starter from the 1st round pick. I also wonder if the results of BP’s 1st round picks are skewed by having the 4 in one year and the control of the draft that allows.
We also have to consider that this draft is fat in the middle(like me), which would improve our hit rate.
Plus, money would be an issue also, two for one? Or One for 2,4
Very interesting! Parcell’s for GM afer he’s done with coaching. Do you think Jone’s is willing to swallow his pride and give up this position?
Good work Rafael
how about this story from kffl that bp was not in agrement with jj to bring owens http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
mhhhhhhhh
so BP wasnt in agreement about letting KJ go either? I don’t buy it.
Raf — excellent analysis. But this assumes Parcells is running the draft… if the JJ vs BP on the T.O. thing is correct, is this the marriage: JJ control free agency and BP on draft? or a mix? What is the JJ factor in the draft?
packers signed Cundiff. good luck kicking in Green Bay Billy boy
I say we pick up a OLB in the first round, then a FS in the second, a OG in the third, a WR in the fifth, then BPA in the 6th and 7th rounds. What do you guys think about that?
Raf,
I don’t how your making money doing what your doing, but that don’t pay you enuff. Great breakdown.
I’ve been thinking Rnd 1 FS all along. But the argument for an OLB (especially yours today) make great sense.
So OLB, Rnd 1, FS later.
Thanks, and hopefully you will be able to keep us updated on the progress of the ‘06 draft picks during the preseson.
We owe,
KCE
linus, adriand:
Come on guys, if those reports come from the same “sources” that used to claim that Parcells was going to retire after this past season then we should all take those news as what they’re worth, they aren’t real worthy….
Raf:
Well, even after seeing that piece of work I still see the benefits of trading down this year, maybe not this year, next Dallas could have the ammunition to trade up to select almost any player that Bill and Jerry would like.
Yes, Bill and Jerry, I can see Parcells coaching in 2007, why? Because he’s under contract, if he’s happy where he’s, the guy respects contracts as much as he wants his players to respect them.
I think it is OLB all the way with Carpenter the selection. Now the interesting thing is does Ellis really still fit in and if not will they trade him for a late 1st or early second rounder like trade him to New Orleans and Sean Payton and they draft Ferguson and then send the 2nd to us for Ellis and they get the DE they want. I think in the 2nd round it will be OG Spencer, OT Scott, or FS Allen or Bullocks.
Raf, I’ve always felt I know a little about the Cowboys, being a die hard fan for over 35 years. Reading your posts and assessments, I realize I really do know just a little! Great job in all of your research. I’m sure I speak for hundreds of people on this blog, we appreciate you!
chandus–I agree with you on the JJ vs BP T.O. deal. Question — we are all guessing what Parcells will pick — what will he definitely NOT pick? TE WR?
Here’s a thought: my experience: when people get older they tend to stay more with what they have done in the past. So Parcells should go DE / OLB first. Least likely he will pick TE or WR. He will go OL probably rounds 2 & 3 — FS / CB / RB the remaining
Here is a crazy idea. I know most of you don’t care for harrington, but i think he is ok. I can’t see any qb looking good on that lions team. What if we traded ellis and our 18 for harrington and their 9 pick. I think ellis may warrant 9 spots. What do you think. I’m not advocating it, just having something to talk about for the next month!
If we could secure the 9, we could trade back to the mid teens and pick up later round or future picks.
josh,
great. i wish the lions would go for it. dont count on it.
linus,
looking at the last three drafts as oppossed to the few before that, its pretty obvious JJ defers to BP on picks. There was probably a time when it would have killed him to admit it, but I think that time is past.
harrington was released wasn’t he?
I wouldn’t mind trading Ellis for a decent draft pick, but I don’t think we would get one for him. Daunte Culpepper, one year removed from a 4700 yard, 39 TD passing season, was traded for a 2nd rounder. Culpepper has a LOT more upside than Ellis. I coulnd’t see Ellis meriting better than a 3rd rounder, if that.
Chandus,
I’ve been admiring your analytic tendency for quit awhile. So I hate to disagree, but…
I think this is Parcell’s last hurrah.
I don’t see him sticking around long enough to develop a new QB.
I see BP passing the torch after ‘06.
But man I hate the thought because BP has been so good for the ‘Boys.
i too think Harington could be successful in our system, maybe next year, and i kind of like that idea Josh
but it wouldnt fly unfortunately
i thought he had been released too, but evidently not
cant help but wonder if this is his last hurrah, why did he sign for 2 years?
Hey, breaking news, Spags is reporting we tried last week to trade for Cleveland safety Chris Crocker before they shipped him to Atlanta but JJ couldn’t come to terms.
If true then obviously they are still looking for the S position.
I said last year we could of got crocker since we’ve been looking at getting him for awhile.
Does everyone remember how well our season season started out last year. Some analysts had us winning the east. Then remember what happened when Dat and Singleton went down, and Flozell too? No team makes it through the year without losing a starter for atleast a couple games. LB and OL has got to be our most vulnerable spots for injury. Sure other positions are vulnerable to injury too, like safety and WR, but the O-Line and linebackers are the backbones of each side of the ball. I don’t care which gets picked first because I trust the guy picking them. ‘Course it would be nice to see the “D” get 10 more sacks this year, and possibly a few more INTs due to pressured QBs. That pressure will certainly make Kieth Davis’ job a lot easier.
dont get it guys, why are all of yout hinking or even considering beat writers telling us bill is going to step down, he knew what he was getting into when he signed his extension not more than three months ago, he wnated to be here then and he wants to be here now.Bill said he likes his players and thinks this is a special team, this man is welcome to stay as long as he wants and i think he wants to stay for a while.. beleive half of what you hear and non of what you read guys. dont listen to some guy only trying to sell his article
this might be stupid, but here goes. I think dallas will make a solid playoff run this year. I think our r1 in the ‘07 draft will probably br in the high 20’s. why not trade our ‘07 r1 and ,say ‘06 r3, for a second r1 this year and draft r1- olb r1-g/ot/qb(whatever is best) r2-fs.This makes sense to me for one main reason: Whatever pick we get will probably be higher than our r1 for next year. Also,it will give that qb/ol another year as a backup before we start them. Getting Bledsow’s replacement in there now would be very beneficial. Same with o line.I love what BP and JJ have done the last three years in the draft. I think teams who do too much trading and not enough picking with their picks get less value in the long run. But there are exceptions, and I think this year we could benefit from giving away a 3 and next years 1 to get some of this r1 talent. Does anyone know about how far up we could get with the picks I mentioned?
Forgive my ignorance, seriously:
Has any QB in his first year with a new team taken that team to the Super Bowl?
Just depends on the point system, but who’s gonna trade with us?
I think it took Warner just 2
I dont know. but it seems there’s always SOMEONE. I dont even know roughly how far we could move though. are we talking mid r1, late r1?
Ben R just did it in two.I think Marino went and lost his rookie season. I dont think anyone has ever won it their rookie season though.
The offer for crocker tells me they are gonna sign a veteran FS maybe even after the draft.
Raf when you listed the names of parcells 1strnd drafts Ty Laws name jumped off the page because it was like reading our current roster.
Since they are going for it all this year i dont think they would start a rookie and from what i have read there are only three who could start, Huff, Allan, and Witner.
I would love to see them trade down a few spots and pick Carpenter then use our 2nd and compensation pick aquired in the trade and move back up and take Mangold.
My question is will Keith Davis with a couple more years of experience take over at FS? If not then someone like the Danieal manning kid would make since in the third because he great at returning PUNTS>
there’s an article on http://www.nfl.com somewhere that explains what each pick is worth and how these deals go down. Next years #1 and this years rnd. 3 pick won’t get us far I don’t think.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9341444
Shows how the point system works in the draft
I don’t think we will see a FS on the first day at all- that’s like kicker used to be, the cheap position-we;ll go with what we have and wait for cuts during summer
Dang it still / didn’t wok
slide
thanks. just a thought.The good news is that parcells can do more with a r1 and r2 than most can do with two r1’s
Unless the ‘Boys get another solid QB before this preseason to get acclimated for the ‘07 season or go all the way this year our ‘07 Super Bowl QB options will be Bledsoe, Henson or Romo.
As much as it hurts to say, I just can’t see any of those three getting it done in 2007.
Therefore I figure we get a great QB immediately to backup Bledsoe or BP retires after ‘06.
During training camp last year there was a lot of buzz going around about BP thinking he had something with Romo. I say they see how he does in some preseason games and decide if they’ll persue a QB in next years FA or sooner. I doubt JJ want to draft another QB after the failure that was Henson (we practically drafted him), although he’s doing better in Europe now so who knows….could be the next Brad Johnson (he played in Europe right?).
As I understand it one of the reasons for going to a 3-4 is because LB/DE tweeners “used” to be easier to find in the later rounds than 4-3 ends. A CB that was not good enough in one on one coverage could always be moved to FS thus making it a later round draft position.
The Cowboys last two remaing holes on the 2006 team should be the easiest to fill…along with a rotation NT
The more I talk about it the more anxious I get….the draft can’t get here soon enough. Course then it’ll be mini camp can’t get here soon enough, then training camp, then preseason games. Next thing you know we’re back to March 29th
I think OLB, then G, then FS, and we call it a day. So my early 1st day would be:
OLB-
1. Kamerion Wimbley
2. Bobby Carpenter
3. Manny Lawson
G-
1. Charles Spencer
2. Max Jean Gilles
3. Davin Joseph
FS-
1. Jason Allen
2. Daniael Manning
3. Pat Watkins
4. Anthony Smith
Then WR in the 5th, NT in the 6th, and BPA in the 7th. We could get Brandon Williams, the NT from VA, and BPA and we have a great team for the future.
And BP’s on trial for the murder of TO, JJ had a stroke, and the Boy’s went 9-7 again…..worst case scenario of course
i am intrigued with pat watkins myself
dejavu if Carpenter, Greenway, and Lawson are all on the board when we pick I bet the Cowboys take Carpenter and the chargers take greenway so Merriman / Greenway vs Ware / Carpenter whos better?
It seems to me that tackle will be a bigger priority than gaurd. we just signed two gaurds. Anyone know a good free mock draft sight?
What I meant was, both gaurds are young. We dont really have the young tackles in place to replace Adams/Fabini
Look guys, i blame the new celebration rules on steve smith for all of his HORRIBLE celebration dances. hes just reiculous. t.o. and chad johnson are going to beat the shit out of him… hes the reason this rule was passed.. cuz if you rognna do somthing like that at least make it good instead of making yourself look like a ass (the boat rowing) wow……………
Atleast backing up tackle we have Petitti and Tucker who have NFL experience. Plus Colombo who could be decent if he gets over the injuries, and Price who i don’t know much about but heard he could be decent as well. Backing up Kosier (who I’m not sold on) and Rivera (who just finished a sub-par season) are Peterman, Proctor, Snell, and Tarullo. Peterman could be good, but does anyone know anything on these other guys??
Rafael,
How do you factor in the reports that the Cowboys were preparing to select Shawn Andrews in 2004, except the Eagles beat us to him?
KCE,
Well, there’s Trent Dilfer, for one.
Also, Jake Delhomme took the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2003.
Before those two, I had to go all the way back to the 1977 Denver Broncos, with Craig Morton in his first year for them.
bigE
Marino didn’t make it to the Super Bowl until his second year in the NFL.
Slide910,
No, the worst-case scenario is that we bring back Dave Campo for a few more glorious 5-11 seasons.
Campo would make such a good mall Santa
What dates is the draft?
Big E, NFL Draft Blitz & NFL Draft Countdown (free) are pretty good sites. The Draft is April 29th & 30th.
The biggest impact for Dallas is to get the bookend LB to man the spot oposite D.Ware. That impact will be felt immediately in the pass rush.
Next major need, but probably not an immediate impact is to get future starters on the o-line - I think there will be more value at guard in the late 2nd then at tackle.
I think Dallas looks for NT in the 3rd round - one of those big guys will fall - Dallas may need to work a trade out to move up and get someone if the list dwindles too much - I think Stanford has a good guy who might last to late in round 3.
I don’t think FS is the all-important position some say it is - I think the defense can help cover for an average FS. I also think Dallas has some guys that could mature in the position and do a good job, so I see FS as a 2nd day pick (unless one of the top guys falls to rd 3). Some of the more glaring plays last year were the result of being out of position, not being too slow - another year could help a K.Davis with recognition.
The rest of day 2 could be QB, WR & more O-line (Reggie McNeal could be a good pick - if he fails at QB you have potential WR/FS talent).
Well said sierrra, I pretty much agree with you on everything….especially on FS. I haven’t found a single mock draft out there that has us picking an OLB in the 1st…..always either WR or an OT like Justice. Won’t bother me either way with how deep the draft goes and the talent hawk we have running things. I just hope BP is paying attention to things and not soaking up too many rays.
Let’s explore BP leaving some more - whether it’s after next year or the ‘07 season. Who seems like a good future head coach. Zim?
Karma
thanks
sierrs
I think your probably right on. I think nt will be adressed quicker than fs.They obviously see something in Bariault(although I think he’s more a ss than fs)cause they could easily have cut him after his injury if there was nothing there. Obviously keith D still has some potential. Even a r2 or 3 will need a year or two to develop. I think your day 2 picks will probably be pretty close as well. I’d love to see some speedy little sleeper come out of day two at wr.
Sierra;
If Holmgren doesn’t sign an extension with Seattle in the next few weeks, look for that rumor to have a little more hair to it. I think it would be a good move. Holmgren has brings respect with him and he’s worn the GM hat before. But I’d just as soon have BP stick around a couple more years.
Great post Raf.
I follow the draft a bit closely every year and the one thing I’ve noticed is that Parcells is one of the best second day drafters out there. In fact, he’s the best I’ve ever seen at drafting 7th rounders. Currently, Dallas has five 7th rounders on the roster that Parcells drafted — Crayton, Reeves, Ferguson, Ratliff, and Nate Jones.
The knock on Parcells was he had a questionable eye for talent, but it doesn’t make much sense. I really believe he has a very good eye for talent, but since he’s a HOF coach, his few draft failures tend to get exagerrated.
Regarding safety and the draft, did you all see the blurb on Dallascowboys.com from JJ?
“But I don’t think there is enough there to dictate a draft pick with the top two.”
Based on this comment, Dallas won’t be drafting a safety in the first 2 rounds.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=481778B1-CF48-25A6-0A331C17594F00E5
Regarding Parcells:
Does anyone else tie in the move of training camp back to San Antonio to the end of Parcells’ coaching career?
Parcells hated the circus atmosphere in San Antonio in his first year here. He has praised Oxnard as having great working conditions. Wonderful weather for teaching, allowing a lot of work to be done. Few distractions.
Jerry, on the other hand, loved the marketing aspects of San Antonio. Do you think he would foist that on Bill if Bill were still going to be around? I don’t.
Thats why I think the move of Camp to San Antonio is a strong indicator that Bill is done after this year.
The contract that we have with the facility in Oxnard expires after this year and the land it sits on has already been sold to developers for residential housing. So I think the BP angle on that one is coincidence.
I don’t know that we are only looking at San Antonio but probably wentthewre first to see what we can squeeze out of them to bring it back before testing the waters elsewhere.
Interesting footnote on the Bills … it appears that someone may be following Harrington n the open trade market … J.P. Losman.
Yeah … that 1st round trade worked out great for them, didn’t it?
just read an excellent point by a poster on another board:
with the need for a kick-off specialist (kos) becoming almost a surity with the signing of vandy, the poster asserted that that might:
1. make ls ladoceur expendable with the need to include the kos on the game-day roster, because
2. by getting someone like ut’s david thomas (who supposedly wowed scouts with his long-snapping expertise), both a proven offensive threat and a long snapper, the cowboys could negate the roster loss for the kos with the addition off a “multi-tasker” ala thomas…
so the question is: is david thomas on the cowboys’draft day radar? inquiring minds, blah, blah, blah.
Raul,
NO KIDDING? Where did you hear that?
Man, I remember thinking how wierd that was that they sold the farm to get that kid. now they’re shopping him for a trade?
and raul, if they trade losman that further clouds draft prognosis as they would then be drafting a qb, and would not be drafting ngata, as is widely speculated…interesting.
Ridgelake,
Why do people continue to engage in this Parcells-is-leaving Kreminology? Parcells didn’t like San Antonio because he wanted to work outside part of the time and wanted his team to be in an isolated area to practice.
I was there a lot during those years and the attendance was meager. The crowds at Oxnard are small but it’s not like Dallas was drawing 10,000 people to see practice in S.A. On *good days* they got 3,000 into the Alamodome and when you spread out that few people in a 60,000 seat facility, you’re not distracting anybody. Major college programs get far more people to attend their practices.
I think he’ll return or leave based on his ability to win. Period.
b_drum,
I did a statistical run through on Dallas’ special teams under Parcells for the last 3 years. What I found is that they have had a top 5 kickoff coverage unit under his tenure.
I chart kickoff distance and hangtime with a stopwatch for each game and compare how each team’s kickoff guys do. Cundiff was a poor kickoff guy until this past year where he was slightly above average.
In essence, the kickoff coverage has been near excellent despite having a poor kickoff guy in Cundiff. There’s no doubt in my mind that Vandy is worse at kickoffs from every time I’ve charted him.
However, if Dallas gets a FS to replace Davis and get him back to playing special teams on a full-time basis along with having guys like Boiman, Copper, Burnett and possibly Beriault and Crowder….Vandy or McBriar’s poor kickoffs should hardly put a dent in this team compared to Cundiff’s kickoffs.
Rafael,
what does Kreminology mean?
Nice job on the breakdown of BP on day 1 and analysis. Have you looked at his trends in lower rounds?
Rafael,
I’d love for Parcells to stay. He has been responsible for a substantial upgrade in our talent level, preparation, and overall ability. I firmly believe that this team has a reasonable chance to go to the Super Bowl. He’s the one primarily responsible for that. He knows football and is by far the best coach that we could reasonably get.
That said, he’s obviously near the end of his storied career. We all know that. My post was to point out a connection that many people have likely not made. I thought it to be insightful. Obviously, you disagree. Thats bound to happen from time to time when two people who care as passionately about the Cowboys as we do discuss different matters.
I think Mike Holmgreen is coming to Dallas as early as next year. JJ has praised the guy on numerous occasions especially before the Seattle game last year. JJ certainly has been exposed to the guy with all the Green Bay playoff matchups in the 1990’s. Also BP likes him and I think BP stays on one more year as GM while Holmgreen transitions.
IMHO of course.
jarhead,
In the cold war days, when the USSR was a closed shop, analysts used to look for subtle signs that would indicate who was in favor/our of favor in the Soviet hierarchy. Stuff like who stood next to whom at the May Day parades. Who was present/absent at certain function.
It was all guesswork based on the most slim and tangetial of threads.
And that’s what the press is doing now with Parcells. They’re convinced he’s going to quit yesterday and are looking for any shred of evidence, no matter how slender it may be, on which to base their blockbuster conclusions.
It was bunk in the ’50s and it’s bunk now, IMO.
Slide910,
You forgot to mention Guerode as a guard back up to Rivera and Kosier to go along with Peterman. Basically we have young backups everywhere along the OL. Understood that Guerode is also a center candidate, but my bet is he does not beat out AJ.
hey yakuza:
re: my post above. the main thing that gives the possible addition of someone like thomas creedence, is vandy’s age and the possible desire to “save” his leg for that which he does best: kick field goals. though vandy says he can kick off, he hasn’t done so in years; hence the speculation that dallas will add a kos…which in turn, could point to the addition of someone like thomas: by ‘doubling’ up w/thomas - offense and long-snapping - they could negate the loss of a roster spot for the kos. would parcells want to go thru the year with another rookie ls? or be hemmed in with the need to draft thomas or someone as versatile? those are the questions, as the mediots concur :-) that dallas will indeed be in the market for a low-priced kos.
Remember, Brett Pierce can deep snap as well. Not sure if we want to rely on him full time for that spot, but he can do it.
rha:
Is that all the evidence you have for Holmgren coming here?
I’ll give you 2 evidences against it:
1) He’s near 60 and last season had discomfort in his chest, so he could have a heart condition in the near future and he’s already mulling with retirement thoughts.
2) He’s VP of Football ops in Seattle, jumping to the GM job in Seattle would require a small effort.
jarhead
The problem for Losman is that no one who was part of the decision to bring him in is with the Bills any more. So, he gets the treatment that so often happens when a new regime is brought in. The previous regime’s ‘mistakes’ are dumped as quickly as possible (whether they are mistakes or not).
jarhead:
Click here to read the article.
b_drum_3:
The article also states that the Bills signed Packers reserve QB Craig Nall to a 3-year deal to compete with Losman.
Writing’s on the wall, I guess…
Ridgelake,
The Cowboys might not have that many choices when it comes to training camp. They will be unable to practice in Oxnard after this year, and I’m sure they have absolutely no desire to return to Wichita Falls.
Rafael, got it. was it Kremlinology vice Kreminology? On that note, Lenin called alot of mediots (at least the political ones) “useful idiots.” I guess BP and JJ can use the sports mediots to their advantage, or just for fun, if they’re clever. Also on that note, when you’re in DC, check out the spy museum. lots of cold war stuff.
Cant say Im heart broken for Losman but I like Marcus Spears.
I have seen a couple of posts that have us trading compensatory picks to make moves in the draft. Just to clarify, you cannot trade compensatory picks in the draft.
I can’t wait for the draft!
Brian,
We dont have a compensatory pick in this draft.
we have no compensitory picks anyway
Great, that makes it a moot point.
Rafael,
Great history of BP’s draft success.Thank God he took over from JJ or we would still have a team full of David LaFleur types: Lazy,injured,on the DL most of the time.
Very informative evaluation. The 1st round history is stunning. What a group of players!
Just out of curiosity, why were his Giants drafts not included?
Jodster,
Carpenter will be an absolute stud. Despite the fact that I hate the Ohio State, this guy is good and is the prototype BP OLB. He might be a reach at 18, but I think he will justify the selection during his rookie season, much like Lofa Tatupu did for Seatle last year..
b_drum,
March 23, 2006
The Cowboys signed their fifth exclusive-rights free agent on Thursday, adding deep snapper L.P. Ladouceur, who signed his one-year, $425,000 tender offer.
It’s not much $$ but why resign him just to cut him
Slide,
who says we’ll cut him?
Does anyone know of some OL guys that tore their knee up and returned the following season in good playing condition?? I wonder how Flozell will do. Gotta be hard to rehab a knee when you’re constantly having to put 310 lbs on it with every step (I know he probably had a walking boot but still).
Just curious of how possible it is, the more that were able to do it the better i’ll feel
why would we keep two long snappers on the team. Didn’t do it last year. We dropped Condo to start an unproven rookie
HAHA so we end up getting Julius Jones, Marcus Spears, and Drew Bledsoe (they released him so Losman could play), all for JP Losman, and he might be traded?? LOL, thats funny, shows the genius of BP.
Im convinced the Bills aren’t taking Ngata, hes going to drop to the Browns. They will take Justice or drop down a little for Bunkley I bet. All I keep hearing is how Ngata is too slow and doesnt get enough of a push for their defense and they dont want him.
My mock 10:
HOU- Reggie Bush
NO- Mario Williams
TEN- Matt Leinhart
NYJ- Vince Young (ferguson is the right pick, but this is the guy I think every Jets fan wants, and they usually get their way)
GB- DBrickashaw Ferguson
SF- Vernon Davis
OAK- AJ Hawk
BUF- Winston Justice
DET- Michael Huff
ARI- Jay Cutler
and the rest until the Boys..
STL- Jimmy Williams
CLE- Haloti Ngata
BAL- Broderick Bunkley
PHI- Chad Jackson
DEN- Lendale White
MIA- Manny Lawson
MIN- Ernie Sims
Slide:
The most recent cases from the top of my head are the ones pertaining to Jon Jansen of Washington and John Tait of Chicago, Jansen ruptured his ACL (just like Flozell) and Tait sprained his MCL, both successfully returned in 2005.
Today the rate of success on recoveries for ligament injuries is near 100%, reconstructive knee surgery on the other hand (the procedure in which the knees of Beriault and Thornton were involved) is another matter, it has a rate of nearly 50%.
I decided to add to Rafael’s research, and went back to Parcells’ Giants drafts. Although he did not have complete control over those drafts, that could be said about the Patriots drafts as well.
I was unable to compile ‘hits’ vs ‘misses’. My memory is just not that good. Nor was I able to separate strong safeties from free safeties. I had a hard enough time distinguishing safeties from cornerbacks, since all my draft references just say ‘DB’.
At any rate, here’s what I found:
Round 1
Picks — 8
By position: 1 S, 1 LB, 2 RB, 1 DE, 1 WR, 1 OT, 1 OC.
Notables: Terry Kinard (S), Carl Banks (LB), Mark Ingram (WR), Eric Moore (OT), Brian Williams (OC), Rodney Hampton (RB).
Round 2
Picks — 8
By position: 2 DT, 2 OT, 1 WR, 1 CB, 1 S, 1 OG.
Notables: Leonard Marshall (DT), William Roberts (OT), Jumbo Elliot (OT).
Round 3
Picks — 8
By position: 1 TE, 1 QB, 2 S, 1 DT, 1 WR, 1 CB, 1 DE.
Notables: Jeff Hostetler (QB), Erik Howard (DT).
I draw no conclusions from any of this.
I don’t get why so many mock drafts out there have SF picking Vernon Davis. I know that he’s a talent, I’m not disputing that at all, but the last two years their TEs have been some of their top recievers. I think Johnson led in recieving in 2004, but then got injured so they signed someone to sit in for him last year. I think that guy ended with around 75 catches for the year. Why draft another TE when you could pick up a talent like AJ Hawk or an OL guy to protect their young QB.
Slide910
We really have only one long snapper on the team, Ladouceur. Others might be able to do it, but quality is important, as we have found out in the past.
slide: i noted that my post was an interesting thought from another board…plus, i find it entirely believable that if parcells has to sign a kos, he will attempt to ‘consolidate’ somewhere on the roster. if vandy can’t kick off, as he says he can, i think someone’s job is at stake. bp will absolutely hate using a valuable game-day roster spot on a kos; and mcBriar does not kick off - which requires a completely different skill set…i kinda like thomas, too…of course i do live in austin, though. :-)
Slide:
That’s because Johnson had a plantar fascia tear which is an injury real hard to recover from and missed last year and missed 2003 because he broke his collar bone. Questions about him being healthy long term are floating real high.
And you’re wrong, last season the TE’s in Frisco only counted for 171 yards in 17 catches.
Mr. Bill,
That’s a good first round track record George Young had in New York. Moore was the only guy on that list you could call a bust. All the others started. Banks, Hampton and Williams were very good. Hampton would have been Dallas’ pick had Jimmy failed to trade up for Emmitt.
b_drum,
yeah i agree with you on BP preferring someone with duel capabilities, just saying that dallascowboys.com doesn’t think we’re looking into other options. Who know’s maybe they are now since signing Vandy
“Ladouceur finished the season without any botched snaps and should head into training camp as the expected snapper once again.”
yeah i read the wrong guys stats for last year in SF, and didn’t know Johnson’s injury was that serious. Vernon Davis makes more sense now.
I thought Beriault had microfracture surgery, not reconstructive knee surgery (same as players like Al Johnson, Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster). Microfracture, I believe, is when they drill holes in the knee cap to get blood down underneath it to promote cartilage growth. That’s a success rate of a little more than 50%. Isn’t reconstructive knee surgery what Palmer is having done since he had two torn ligaments, a dislocated knee cap and cartilage damage? That has a success rate between the typical ACL and microfracture.