Third Round Thread
Posted: April 29, 2006 @ 7:41 pm
As the draft hurtles towards Dallas’ 80th pick.
Dallas trades down with Jacksonville and gets a 4th round pick, number 125 overall.
Dallas selects Jason Hatcher of Grambling State with the 92nd pick.
Jason who? I’m trying to find out myself. He’s not high in my draft books, though one has him as a late riser who really came on in his last two seasons. Pro scouts know about him though — Rick Gosselin’s Top 100, which is compiled from Pro draft boards, ranks Hatcher 88th overall.
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Jason Spitz is an option here at 80.
But Raf is really hot so I am saying Anthony Smith.
I like Brandon Williams too!
spitz just got got
who do you like here Raf?
Damn Green Bay took 2 of my predicted guys right before us. Colledge and Spitz!!
do you think giles will still be there? or ko simpson, who i heard scored a 10 onb the wonderlic test
gilles or watson, please.
what did we get for that trade down?
Eric Winston or Rodrique Wright.
we got our 4th.
Is it me or are we going back to the Jerry Jones drafts where bodies are more important than players. It just seems like they think they hit on late round guys so they want to collect picks.
I don’t know. They could go OL.
But their first two picks are for guys they project as ‘06 starters, so I’m going to say they get one more. And where do they need a starter? FS.
Mayock just broke down anthony smith and sure made me want the guy. He said he would be a great centerfielder that he’s smart and takes great angles, good tackler in space. Sounds what we need what does everyone think about him?
i like pat watkins, or maybe ko simpson, or does the low wonderlific score make him too risky?
smith is gone
Marcus Coleman can be a decent starter. IMO, we need a starter (or two) at Guard and a starter at Tackle. Otherwise, as they said on the ticket “We have an O-Line made up of pretty goof backups”.
oh man David Thomas was available this year and we took Fasano? Is he really better? I only watched Texas games…Thomas is the $hit!!!!
I think there are 3 guys I like here, Giles, Watson, and Simpson.
grantp thats why i like ko simpson, he would have a year to watch with coleman there. although i wouldnt mind a o-line pick to
The problem with Thomas is that by the time he gets to camp he’ll be 35. He played for UT for what, 15 years?
raf
props on your TE prediction your about the only 1 who preditcted it
i liked thomas too. much better value as a 3rd as the one we got in the 2nd
i usually like trading down, but the way i see it, this year trade downs cost us marcus mcneil and anthony smith
too bad maurice stovall just got picked up, might have wanted him?
Anyone hearing why Gilles, Simpson and Demetrius Williams have dropped?
i keep getting errors when i try to connect, “this account has exceeded its cpu limit.”
I hope dallas takes gilles or watson, but I would prefer gilles.
our oline still looks average at best.
thanks but I didn’t predict Fassano. I said they would get a TE or FB of staring quality in either free agency or in the draft. That’s all. It’s not like I wrote the guy. I had Daryn Colledge, but the Packers got him at 47.
Well obviously they didn’t want Mcneil or Smith. One of the two guys they wanted will be there for their pick, and the extra 6th and 7th rounder we got earlier will help us move up in the 4th if we need to.
DE from grambling???
we’re up . . .
hmmm . . . i see now that we really are serious about taking the BPA, and not giving a flying care about what we need.
DE…wow i was okay with the TE but now a end, we could always use another end but when we need guys at OL and S even if its a reach you gotta match your priority, well there goes Jay Ratliff contributing at end…maybe he’ll play some more at NT
I don’t get it. I know Norm LOVES this guy. He said his “sources” told him ARI wanted him as a huge sleeper. They thought he would be a great player to get in the 3rd-4th, but they had to get the TE when he fell. I just don’t see where he fits.
did anyone hear about an ellis rumor? maybe his days are numbered?
I for one am NOT happy at all!!!!
W#hy would we shore up an already solid area when Whatkins is still ther? Will Watkins drop or can this no-name DE play NT? Looks to me like Stephen is calling the shots this year. Not happy, not happy at all!!!
I think if you bring in Hatcher that eventually our 3-4 will look like this……….
RDE-Canty
NT-Spears
LDE-Hatcher
hmmm, now im saying WTF?
watkins, simpson, and watson all fell to 2nd day
sleeper pick, de’arrius howard rb arkansas
Site issues have been awful!
OK, clearly most of us are not qualified GM’s. Not only did Dallas not take Gilles, Scott, O’Callaghan, Simpson, Watkins, Watson or D.Williams, neither did anyone else.
Not sure why they’ve dropped. There must be a reason. The good news is that if we still want one of those guys, one of them is likely to still be there with our newly acquired 4th.
So what do we still have tomorrow?
a 4th, a 5th 2 6th’s and 2 7th’s?
well it looks like the boys took the BPA thing to a new level. Of note, they have 6 more picks tomorrow.
The BPA at a position of strength is the WPA. Tom Landry could make BPA work. I don’t think BP is a Landry. Draft Grade so far: C-. Draft of Carpenter, Eric Winston, Pat Watkins grades at A-. Do you get the feeling someone at the Cowboys was trying to show us that they’re smarter than we are? Just a thought. We spent a lot of money on TO. Will TO be able to make all those glorious catches when the ball is being thrown by a QB on the ground? The lesson from last year is that a “project” OL is an anchor around the neck. Nothings changed.
yeah, i think this may say ellis is gone, and den, if you were a little more negative, you may be able to taste the bile in your grunt
Just read from Matt Mosely blogging in the war room that Dallas wanted Daryn Colledge in round two. Damn. He was my prediction too. Damn Packers.
its a little early to grade the draft. lets wait say a year or two to see how these guys pan out.
If we can’t grade the draft now, then what are we going to talk about? In three years no one will care about this years draft, we’ll be wanting to talk about getting that years draft right.
Taste the bile in your grunt???
LMAO… Hilarious…
Den,
What are you smoking? Are you that paranoid that you think Jerry, Bill and Cowboys staff concocted this entire draft just to mess with your head? Just a thought.
cash
grade away
itrustintuna and cash,
LOL
im ok with todays picks. the 3rd was the most suprising. but after soaking it all in, a TE in the 2nd makes sense with a 2 TE set
a lot of people wanted gabe watson in the 1st or 2nd, what a slip he took
Grade = whoknowsanythingaboutanything
Yeah a little dissapointed. I would’ve liked to see some depth added as all of you did too, but we’ll have a good team next year. You never know who we’ll get tomorrow. I’m gonna try to stay optimistic, but when we spend a second rounder on a guy I’ve barely heard of, and a third on a guy I haven’t, it’s a little depressing since we’ve been waiting months for this day……I’m gonna go sob in my pillow now
For the record, just looking at the guys physical numbers, Hatcher looks like an animal. And as I posted above I think if the pick pans out, then Spears to NT is a real possibility in the future. I think in the long run, that is where he will be best utilized. I don’t see him not being a fat space eating NT.
and i think i like keith davis more than most who wanted to reach on a FS in the 2nd or 3rd
i guess arizona was huge on him
huge on who mike?
Why the tears Y’all? For the first time in almost a decade we are good enough to take the BPA. I see Rick Gosselin rated our new TE as the best of the second round TEs, said he reminded scouts of an ole boy named MARK BAVARO, think BP might have some good memories of that guy? Hatcher played TE until his last year in school, Defensive/FULLBACK thoughts from BP? (ala the fridge or our old LB Robert Thomas)
Remember the early-mid 90s Dline rotation? Why did we have 7 starter quality guys in 4 spots? Fresh 4th Qtr legs anyone? Ellis going? How about Ellis having his career extended by playing 50% of the snaps instead of 90%?
OK the only guy I was happy about at first blush was Bobby C. but more research and taking a historical view ~1 benefit of getting older~ made me remember why I too trust in BP
Luke,
You’re out to get me, aren’t you?!? Just a thought. Paranoid? Maybe a little. Tweaking is nice, but not until we stop the hemorrhaging at OL. This day was like plastic surgery when the patient has cancer. Jean-Gilles and Watkins are still available. Let’s hope for the best.
Day One:
Carpenter – Excellent choice, should start at SOLB from season opener. Could be 16 game starter.
Fasano – Good choice, should start in 2TE base offense. Should be 16 game starter.
Hatcher – Surprise choice, I had not heard of him but he seems like he could be a solid player. Judging by Bill’s track record of picking good front seven players I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt. Rotation player.
Picked up a forth, sixth and seventh.
Good first day.
i dont quite see the hemmorage at ol, and if bpa is a luxury, ill tkae ti. i just think all the negativity is not necessary. crybabies need not post
*take it
The reason we had site problems today was due to the popularity of this site, most of us got on at some time today.
Congratulations to Raf, he put together such a good site that he ran into that mixed blessing of too many hits at once, I see the 5 and 10 solution putting you into a better hotel this year Raf
Henson went 13 of 21 for 219 and a TD today. yes i know it was day 1 of the draft, but i just thought i’d throw that in there.
rafael- i’m sure u had a good chuckle when you heard lendale white’s name come up for the titan’s pick. u prob said ThePalisades is a tool- him and his puny ‘get white’ campaign. ok u told me so. when i found out, i did a parcells stare. u’ll get ur $10.
can someone explain more about the 2 TE set? so are you saying you put witten and fasano out at the same time? how does other positions set up?
palisades,
2 receivers and 1 RB. no FB. they will shift the TEs around alot. the benefit is running that formation for 3 downs so defenses cant load up for a run or pass on 3rd. the trade off is the TEs had better be good lead blockers.
ThePalisades;
Way to CowboyUp! It takes Cahones to show up after making bold (and unpopular) predictions and being wrong.
I doubt Raf will jack with ya~~much
Who ya got in the 4th?
I suppose Fasano could be useful as a blocker since will need that, but certainly not as a pass catcher since Bledsoe will have difficulty with the rush. Apparently the obvious fact that our OL held us back as no other part of our team did is lost on some. I guess being a BP sycophant impairs one’s judgment.
LOL Den,
I agree I would have liked an offensive lineman but I am still happy with the picks we got. Max Giles and Watson seem to have turned everybody off, maybe there perceived overweight or laziness has scared people off. There is nothing worse than drafting a good talent high and being unable to get anything out of him because of motivation problems. I don’t mind the idea of drafting what is considered a lesser talent but who is much more committed to football and the team.
Some of these negative posts sound exactly like those coming in right after the start of free agency. “I can’t belive this…I can’t believe that…” Then after everything was said and done the posts sounded like this was the best offseason in Cowboys history. Just sit back and enjoy the ride. BP knows what he’s doing. And even if he doesn’t, he definitely knows much more than we do about this stuff….
Who else thought after drafting Hatcher (and then looking up to see who the hell he was) that Marcus Spears might be moving to NT, even if part-time NT/DE until Ferguson leaves. I saw Cash had that thought also, anyone think it’s a possibility?
Everyone: I like picking up the 4th rounder. So far I really like our picks. I trust in BP for the Grambling pick. Maybe another Willie Davis. I hope we’re all amazed in Oxnard. By the way, I was simply amazing myself at the draft party I went to today. I know that I am nothing when pitted against many on this blog, but at the party I was seen as a very knowledgable dude. Thanks to you all for your contributions to my NFL draft education.
Palisades,
When White got past Denver and was at about the 42nd pick, I joked with the Troll, who was watching with me, that I was going to offer you a win-win, you give me $10 and I still give you the “I Told You So.” Cause he might well have gone to Dallas were he at 49.
So, no, I’m not going to razz you, because I think he’s going to have a fine NFL career.
it truly awes me on how are draft has gone. the carpenter pick was expected, Fasono was okay on patience but now a end that will be 5th on the depth chart is really pushing it.
Why didn’t we get Ko Simpson? I had Dallas picking Ko in the 2nd round and he was still there in the late 3rd and we passed? We needed a safety badly and we lost out of one that was pretty high on my draft board. I think this was a big and bad mistake by the cowboys even though I have seen this guy compared to Richard Seymore, I do not think this makes this team better this year.
If we run a 2 TE set with both TEs being the pass catching type, is it similar to OLBs in the 3-4 defense where you benefit from the other team not knowing which guy you’ll send? Usually you see 2 TE sets where one is block oriented, but after we drafted Fasono Kiper said he wasn’t so great at blocking, but terrific at catching….could he mostly be picked to be the heir to Witten incase we’re unable to pay him enough next offseason?
thejoker
Jason Hatcher 5th on the draft chart? I’ll assume you were being somewhat sarcastic. Not all the 22 starters on the team can be takin in the 1st round. Hatcher was the BPA at our 3rd round pick according to Bill freaking Parcells. Must Raf remind you of the studs BP has found in the 3rd round. Hatcher must be more than decent, and several guys on here may be on to something with the moving around of personel. I’ve had time to digest our first day in the draft, and it’s not as bad as it seems.
*5th on depth chart
I personally think it a stance of weakness to criticize a poster on this blog, because he disagrees with a draft pick, by saying that just because Parcells picked him he must be a stud. BP has given us one really good draft a really bad draft and a so/so draft. So please don’t act like all of his picks are gold.
Slide,
I’m wondering about Hatcher myself. I wouldn’t slam the guy for questioning the pick. Hatcher better become Leon Lett because they spent a first day pick on him.
We could have had Hatcher in the 5th round…
There was a time when, if you drafted a player out of Grambling he was considered a pretty good bet to be a player. I haven’t seen him play, but I will be checking my contact in Northeast Louisiana about him. I would say lets see what the offensive line shows us in training camp before we jump off the dock. You didn’t really think that any rookie was going to come in a do better than people we have on the field now, did you. There was only one offensive lineman that was considered NFL ready and it sounded like he had some warts too. If the lineman that went in round 1 and 2 become super starters next year I will be amazed. Many on this blog were drooling over Davis and Mercedes at tightend, but the cost for them would have been too expensive and we wouldn’t have gotten the linebacker we wanted. Fasano, if he works out will make our offense better on the ground and the air. The offensive linemen that we picked up and maybe some we still get in the draft will compete with those we have and maybe we will have a serviceable offense. They won’t be able to concentrate on any, one area of our offense. We have two maybe three excellent running backs. We have two good wideouts and a up and comer. Two tightends that can catch in the crease will make us dangerous on offense. The offensive line doesn’t have to be great just average and Bledsoe will have the time to pick defenses apart. Just the musings of a long time Cowboy fan
ThePalisades,
It means the Cowboys will run the same two-TE offense they ran in 2005, only more so. It will also give us more flexibility, since Fasano is a far greater receiving threat than Campbell, and is a decent blocker to boot. It will make it much more difficult for our opponents to figure out what we are doing, since we invariably ran towards Campbell’s side, and threw to Witten.
We lose some in blocking, but gain in deception and receiving ability.
hi
Let me just say this much…Today I went great with the first pick, to who is that..glad I had my espn draft mag with me…Anyway, point I want to make since everyone is talking about 2TE sets, some people call it a Jumbo set..to me you kind of dictate what type of player personnel you have on the field..the nfl is really technical in terms of packagae defense, base, nickle, dime etc…with a 2te set you basically are bringing in an extra lb and taking out a db. with to on one side and terry glen on the other, you are looking at (not everytime) but I’m pretty sure you are going to end up with a cover three look over the top..that means you SLB and WLB will be playing man on our TE’s…the odds favor us I believe, with enough reading of our second pick and witten I believe we can provide some pretty big mismathces…the 2te look also allows you max protection anytime you in case you have ol problems which we do and we went 2tes alot which we did, but with this we get a little more flexibility and the opportunity for fassano to contribute immediatley..now lets not forget jones and barber will be in a single back set and that should be interesting to see since the defense will be bunched in more, BUT>>>>if they should get a crease or a miss..its off to the races….and I believe in closing if they can run successfully this will not only set up play action ALA Jason Witten…but be prepared to see the screen be a staple of this offense. Good Defense and a Solid ground game is BP middle name. We might not put points on the board but this offense is alot more easy to manage game clock, field position and KNOCK ON WOOD be in a position to win the game with field goal or tie it and be put in a position to win games. I just hope that we can get some help in the secndary so we can get the HIT MAN Roy Williams playing more near the line of scrimmage. Anyway the 2te that I’ve been reading alot about is something we all should get used to…Oh yeah by the way if you should zoom glen towards TO with a 2te formation you would end up with a trip set and can pick apart lb’s and the te on the weakside lined up with a corner all day long. Let;s hope we can keep bledsoe upright and jones stays healthy for a season and ware takes the next step and we will be as the ROCK says” Can you smelllllLLLL,,,what the cowboys are cooking…Aloha and goodnight from the 808 state.