2nd Day Open Thread
Posted: April 29, 2007 @ 10:14 am
10:20 — Dallas was not joking about selecting a QB. It takes Washington signal caller Isaiah Stanback with the 103rd pick.
10:10 — Oakland starts the 4th by picking RB Michael Bush.
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1ST!!
WE ARE ON THE CLOCK
id like tanard jackson in here
Fred Bennett is the one I like.
Randy Moss in NE for a fourth. WOW!
WTF????
And we take
Isaiah Stanback
A guy who’s dealt with some injuries of late and dropped because of that, but a good young QB
stanback is the guy
Well their is the developemental QB.
Isaiah Stanback? Who?
NOOOOO!
Our Randle El. He’ll bring some “juice” to the offense. I like gadget plays
We have more important needs right now than developmental QB!
He may be more of a WR project than a QB according to the Ticket.
What the hell is Jerry doing????
I think that he’s going to become a WR.
heres the arm of stanback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FuC3jnm4TE
and hes athletic enough to return kicks and try at WR
I’m outta here. GM Jerry just ruined my offseason.
Guess I’ll just take it out on a poor little golf ball. Gonna draw a picture of Jerry on ‘em and spank whitey hard.
OK so we picked a WR project/ developmental QB? He better do for us what Randle El did for Pitt a few years ago.
There’s not much point in taking a WR after this, even though I like Clowney and thing Dallas Baker has as good a chance as Jarrett at becoming a nice receiver. But there’s not room on the roster for 6 receivers, and whoever we’d take from here on out probably won’t be better than Hurd and Austin… I’m for throwing multiple picks at CB and OL and hoping something sticks.
He’ll play some qb, play some wr, maybe return a kick and be a gunner on special teams.
I’d have liked tennard Jackson there, but oh well.
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Ugh.
Isaiah Stanback!
We just picked up the WR in this draft. That is what he will be for the Cowboys, plus maybe hold for Grammatica.
sooo..with that curve jerry threw there..what’re they gonna do with the next pick?
I would have rather given up our 4th rounder and a last 7th for Darrell Jackson…
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reminds me of the Skylar Green pick - A guy who’s not a standout a a particular position, but who could do many things on the offence and special teams - look how that one turned out!
well, imagine that stanback gets the spot of Rector, and another WR will compete with bilbo for the other spot
That pick sucked! We could have had Stanback in the 7th. At 103, we needed Paul Soliai. Lack of a part time NT is our biggest hole.
We had the opportunity to spend the night thinking it over… had command of the board… Players rated 2nd round picks available. Good Linemen available. We take a (slower) clone of Skyler Green. Don’t we alrady have Bilbo on the roster??? I bet he runs a faster 40 than Stanback’s 4.62.
I’m not going to judge this pick since I know close to nothing abou the guy, but the analysts on the NFL Network really liked the pick so I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do. He can’t be worse that Green was last year….could he?
Now I see why Jerry wanted Stanback
from Fox Sports
“he was a prep standout in baseball and, despite not playing that game at the collegiate level, the Baltimore Orioles selected him in the 45th round of the 2006 draft”
We tried to get 2 players with one pick but the guys not really good enough at either to stick. Jerry’s math:
1/2 decent WR + 1/2 decent QB = 1 decent player?
I do agree with birdness though. Soliai would have been my pick with Bush off the board. Ferguson can’t do this on his own for much longer. Maybe he’ll still be there with our second 4th or maybe they’ll take a chance with Walter Thomas
from Scott Wright:
A long-term project regardless of which position he settles in at
This pick sucks - Cowboys dropped the ball big time.
jackson gone
Well, I think he’s slower than Green and Bilbo. What a reach!
I agree Soliai at 122 or we could be forced to trade up for Thomas in the fifth.
On the face of it IMHO, this is a bad direction to go - why pick a player who is a jack of all trades but a master of none, when you could get a quality DB, NT or developmental QB?
I wouldn’t be surprised if this guy doesn’t even make the team
We are starting to seriously reach. I thought Marten early in the 3rd was a reach. Stanbeck in the 4th? Most draft magazines I saw had him in the 6th. Where is our CB and NT?
I’m curious to hear what the glass is half-full folks have to say about this pick.
Incidentally, Isiah Stanback seems to play QB the way Tony Romo does, athletic and quick. He’ll probably start as the 3rd QB, and do other roles until he’s formally the #2 or better.
The scouting profiles all agree that he has enough talent to come in to the NFL as a QB. His arm strength is nearly shocking. In that hail marry above linked above, he throws the ball from about the 25 to the opposite 4 yard line, and gets the TD.
Where’s tomwillis…You got your wish when you wanted BP out…welcome back the old Jerrah!
I liked the second Browns trade because it put us at the top of the fourth - somebody always slips. It’s not good when Al Davis makes you look stupid. Michael Bush was rated the 3rd best RB and projected second or third round, Ian was projected a UFA.
i still think the boys will rue the day they passed on brady quinn…romo will be an average qb who will never have the skills and smarts of a brady quinn…wont know for a year or two but there is a reason why romo was a FA and quinn was a top qb with a great character
so what are our picks that we have left?
Hey birdness, but at least he can throw a good fastball!!
My list of must gets and wants is down to blocking TE (which may be superfulous) and big bodied NT.
Here we go again with another awful drafting day…. who in the world is Isaiah Stanback…… We dont need another QB Doodooo Jerry Jones!!
We won’t know about Brady’s value for several years. If the Brown’s finish 6-10, and we get to choose the BPA in 2008 #10 or better, then we did okay. That’s a save bet in my eyes.
yeah, romo was a UFA because he’s not smart and has a bad character
VT Cowboys,
There is NOBODY left but could be bench warmers or 3rd stringers!!!
end sarcasm
there goes soliai
Look we all know Jerry has a weakness for arms that can stretch the field. He’ll have a role on this team, even if its 3rd string QB, and the Cowboys will try to fix this guys short field mechanics and raise his accuracy.
Or, imagine a half back toss with this guy throwing, or a what looks like a WR screen turned in to a WR Toss.
Watching him go off the board, I’m officially not happy with the second day already. This “slash” type guy needs to do something to justify losing a big guy like Soliai
Jerry - you suck!
If you’re going to reach, may as well be for a freak like Walter Thomas.
We could possibly rue big time having the opportunity to draft Quinn and passing. All those teams that overlooked Marino must feel that way, but we really couldn’t have taken Quinn, because for now Romo’s the guy. Quinn would have complicated matters..plus it’s no guarantee that Quinn will be any good…remember Tim Couch, Cade McNown etc.
TruCowbozFan,
I’ll agree with that, but there still could be some stars left. Might I remind you almost “mr. irrelevant” Marcus Colston last year who is the man now.
scn said a dirty word, he said “Tom Willis”
bye bye Solai!
I’d like to get a guard here. Maybe Beekman–the other BC kid.
TruCowboyzFan,
Not true… Some of the league’s best linemen come in the 4th and 5th rounds…
Oh… We traded away our 5th??? and we squandered our early 4th on a less-athletic Demarius Bilbo??? oops… sorry.
Norm!!! my apologies…
Awh man….. I see the Patriots being Super Bowl Champions this year… Randy Moss maybe headed to New England, if so we are in big trouble, and instead of matching up and preparing ourselves against there new fire power we are just here fiddling are thumbs!!!
I agree with most on this board…I don’t like this pick. It’s understandable to take a WR in the 2nd round as you can see a player of that caliber beating out someone like Miles Austin, but a guy in the 4th? This is Skyler Green all over again. With all the player left on the board, I can’t believe the Cowboys took this guy.
I watched Stanback play for the beleaguered Washington Huskies. He is certainly no starting QB, but don’t dismiss his speed. He may have ran a 4.5 40, but he also ran a 10.48 100 meters. Now that is fast. Further, as opposed to most QB’s his size, he isn’t fragile (despite this freak ankle injury). He is a very mobile QB, but I suspect he will play WR and special teams for the Boys. How many back-up QB’s can do that?
He has played receiver before and he is a very gifted athlete. Given the kind of receiver we are looking for (3/4 hopefully), I think Stanback is a good pick.
As opposed to others who think he may have gone undrafted or in the 6th or something, this is about where most thought he was going to go (mid-rounder).
I am having Darren Studstill flashbacks.
Getting to the top of the 4th is a fantastic thing. You get to sleep on your thoughts, come back the next day and catch a hot slider or make sure you fill that hole that wasn’t addressed on day one. From the top of the 4th you have control over the second day - FU Jerry Jones!
Sam,
Why would you take a potentially elite WR to be your 4th or 5th receiver? Hopefully your 1, 2, or 3 retires or get injured? On top of which, you’re paying him alot more money?
“How many back-up QB’s can do that”
How many back-up QBs can take 10-15 reps a game at NT?
Did I miss someone taking the CB out of Cal?
Here’s the thing about passing on Quinn.
You think Romo is the guy.
They think he is.
I think he is.
But if he’s not….
You have a whole year to figure that out, and then next year you come back in a position to draft Henne or Brohm.
You basically bought yourself a year to find out if Romo’s the guy, and didn’t waste resources this year finding out.
Josh Gattis is a good player at FS. He would be a great pick.
According to ESPN, it’s a 4.62 40 time…
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=11165&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfldraft%2fdraft%2ftracker%2fplayer%3fid%3d11165
See guys if we played are cards right yesterday keeping our first rounder maybe trading JJ for a 2nd rounder keeping our 4th and 5th rounders we may have had some quakity players, only guy i see we chose good after all was Spencer…. Maybe!
Is Kareem Brown DT Miami still available?
I could see a role for Stanbach…3rd string QB that can be active on game day as a WR, RB, trick play guy…let’s just hope that he can indeed do this and justify his pick at the top of the 4th.
“How many back-up QB’s can do that�
Let’s see.. On our roster last year I counted 2. Bilbo and Green.
Jerry Jones must not wnt to build back Americas team, choosing no names!!
I was hoping we may have drafdted Tanard Jackson
U Wisdom - he went late in the third - Hughes. Forget who snagged him.
I was hoping we wouldn’t draft a 7th rounder at the top of the 4th.
Just maybe our professional scouts and coaches did not think much of Soliai
The prob I have is even if they wanted Stanbach…he’d probably be there at the second 4th round pick and maybe even there in the 6th
Marcus Thomas DT Florida?
I think the Cowboys best hope scenario is Stanbach develops like Brett Farve, and they tame his arm and develop his mechanics while he rides the bench. And as a 3rd QB he may still offer depth at a veriety of positions over the course of the season. He has real QB talent, more than Green or Bilbo.
birdness…I saw that he had serious character questions…not sure what they were
I hope your correct about our scouts view of Soliai. Still this is a huge need and there’s only a few big boys available.
Marcus Thomas got kicked out of florida despite being told to stop smoking pot or get kicked out.
He obviously is an attitute problem, and likes pot much more than the potential millions he coud have had on the first day.
That’s the exact kind of under acheiver that I want NO part of.
I think his issues are more diet related.
Thomas does hare a red flag.
Maybe the CB Bennett from S. Carolina? Not sure who I want at this point. I wonder when PK Crosby will be taken–2 punters have now gone.
2 Punters in Rd. 4. Weird.
Josh Gattis
S | (6′1″, 206, 4.51)
everything I read on him is that he has excellent cover skills and is a center field free safety. All of his negatives are he is not great in the box against the run. He has a third round grade.
Jerry was quoted saying Day 2 was going to be the “tale of the tape”.
Call it a 4th round TKO.
so what picks do we have left?
Why not Troy Smith?
Really? Stanbach being there later on? Maybe, yeah, but you also have to realize that QB/WR projects are in vogue.
Knowing that Stanbach has been compared to Brad Smith who was taken with 11th pick of the 4th Round last year to play WR/jack of all trades makes me wonder real hard about him being there for the next pick, especially when you’re considering the measurables that Stanbach had before his ankle injury, 10.48 in 100-meters?
People addicted to pot have emotional problems but genrally aren’t killers or thieves. Generally something along the lines of “his pa doesn’t love him” which is true for a lot of these guys coming from single mothers.
A strong and connected football team can easily push pot to the side.
Finally the first mention of Mason Crosby on the blog today. I was expecting to hear a bunch of people screaming for him yesterday in the third…
Who was the numbnut who asked where is Quincy Carter. Dam!! be careful what you ask for.
I am still hoping for John Wendling, FS out of Wyoming.
Stanback potentially adds depth to 3 roles, back-up QB, WR & return specialist. It’s a good pick.
I think the complainers are mad because Jerry didn’t select guys they wanted. They think that their opionion and knowledge is greater than that of Jerry & Company. Get real.
I hope we go OL again. Doug Free, Josh Beekman or Manny Ramirez
I’m with you bird
Marcus Thomas looks like a stud NT. Maybe he can hook up with Mark Stepnowski to learn how to stay clean.
I think that is what most people said when we drafted crayton.
“10.48 in 100-meters”
Tony D is the only NFL player that ever needed a 100 M measureable. Stanback is fast, with a big arm. Maybe with time he could become something special. Jerry needs to fill real needs right now.
Austonian - I don’t think Step was about staying clean, but he might help him pass the piss tests.
kingea,
No. Crayton was a good pick in the 7th round. I would have had no problem with this pick in the 7th rather than the top of the 4th.
Strike Manny, come on Jerry get some more beef up front.
bird-
KRs, gunners and punt returners can all stand to have outstanding 100m dashes.
Tighthead-
Thats all I’m asking for!
I would have rather taken troy smith.
re: Post 100
Aggie - Urban Meyer’s primary goal at Florida was to get all the players to realize that they were not only in it for themselves, but for the entire team.
They did things like have family dinners once a week.
If Thomas wouldn’t buy into it at FL, what makes you think he’ll do it at the pro level?
I have no faith in that happening. None.
Somebody kick Dumb Dumb Jerry out of the draft room before the whole draft is wasted!
What a joke… will someone please get the Cowboys a real GM…
Get JJ out of the draft room , send him out for pizza. Picking a seventh round player as the first fourth? He did that last year with Skyler Green last year. Don’t laugh the picks will get worse!
Exactly, Stanback would have been okay with the second 4th round pick. I think he would have slipped, are Troy Smith, Carson Palmer’s little bro and the Boise St QB still available?
I don’t think that Solai From Utah was a good pick at NT. Utah used him all over their line, and actually his team mate had more snaps at NT than he did. I think he is an out of shape DE..
CHANDUS
nice analysis of the Stanback pick. Now lets get some NT options…
barbre’s gone
Barbre is gone. Please, a FS next…
Is it too early for Walter Thomas?
birdness…exactly and all 3 are still available…If u want a 3rd string QB, go with one of them…don’t get sute and reach for a guy that’s a “slasher” type
Troy Smith is still around.
Coach send JJ out for pizza and make sure the driver gets him lost! We tried this last year picking up Skyler Green when Colston was still on the board last year? The GM thinks he can read talent? Get him out of there now!
Alan - yes, too early, but I want that fat boy.
Are you in the big smoke?
Im not excited about this Stanback pick. Think this might be a Garrett pick. Someone he thinks he could work with. I really need a reason to like this guy.
A few days ago, Raf mentioned him in his mock for a late round NT.
Green was a BP guy.
Barbre would have been nice.
dafino13: I don’t think the Colston example is a good one since everyone whiffed on him, including the Saints.. If they knew he was as good as he was then no way they laet him last until the 7th round.
Tighthead,
Yeah I’m in Toronto. You a rugby player?
Boys are up next…nothing will surprise me now, except maybe drafting a punter
They could have gotten this guy in the 7th round…maybe even an undrafted FA..
You can’t hold Colston over JJs head - everybody passed on him.
Why do teams keep trading in front of us?
I want McClain for the next pick - he’ll be our Lorenzo Neal! Make the pick Wade. He won’t be around the next time we select.
We don’t need a third QB.
ROmo
Johnson
Baker/Berlin
this guy is a slash player.
Former player.
I am now nervous when we have a pick, instead of excited.
Well, Marcus Thomas is a guy florida opponents focused on. I see your concerns. He has talent, and character issues.
He could have a competitive role on the DL imeaditely rather than needing more time to develop.
People can quit pot and not relapse very succesfully. I think he’s worth it as a second day flier.
And while I see what you’re saying about Meyer’s attempt at family forging, Meyer is also the kind of guy to make an example out of somebody and use fear to underlie his motivations. Not that the pros are different. Although maybe the cowboys will be, w/o BP around.
Is there another X baseball player we can draft..
I’m watching closely. The way they are randomly picking people, I may have an chance to go to camp this summer.
Josh Gattis…..please.
Stanbeck is 6′2″ 216 and has been clocked at 4.5.
This is a potential WR/Punt Returner pick, not a QB.
We’re thinking Randel El here, not Romo’s replacement.
Boys are almost back on the clock: FB or DT?
Adam McCloskey, post 73, just hit the nail on the head. Romo backs up last year’s performance, or we have an early 1st round pick as insurance.
This also gives us insurance if Hamlin/Watkins is not the answer at FS.
I see the glass as half full.
I think Romo shows us he’s for real, and Hamlin shows that he’s fully recovered from his head injury and is our FS with Watkins learning behind him.
Spencer gives us an awesome pass rush with Ellis alternating between DE and OLB depending on the situation. Carpenter moves inside, but has the ability to rush from the inside or the outside.
Imagine the versatility this all gets us for a minute. You’re a QB facing Carpenter, Ellis, Ware, and Spencer. Who is coming at you and who’s dropping back? Carpenter, Ellis and Ware can do that now, and if Spencer can as well, then we’ll have one hellacious pass rush! Please Ellis…. come back healthy!!!!!
On top of that, with Hamlin around, look for Roy to play a lot more close to the line of scrimmage and that give us even more versatility.
As for those screaming for a CB, Aaron Glenn can still do it, and he’s not playing every down. Darrell Green was a lot older and was still effective, so until Glenn can no longer do it, and provided Henry can stay healthy, I think we’re still set at CB. Reeves and Jones gives us added depth and experience.
James Marten gives us a back-up Tackle as well as Guard, since he’s played both spots. I see Davis starting at Guard if Rivera can no longer do it and he also gives us a lot of versatility, then there is McQ! A back up center is needed with the departure of Al Johnson, but otherwise, no glaring holes on the line.
NT worries me a bit, but I think with no two-gap responsibilities, I think Spears and Canty can back up Fergie, and there is also Mount Stanley.
Overall, I am happy so far!
Which are the real needs?
WR? Stanback has a whole lot more potential than the scrubs that were there, you’re noticing that no WR was selected until this Ryne Robinson?
NT? There’re still some NT prospects in a real bellow average NT crop. How can you tell that Soliai is a much better prospect than the next tier of guys?
CB? I also think that it’s a need that requires attention, but… If the FO doesn’t thinks that the current value is capable of giving the likes of Jacques Reeves a run for their money, then not selecting those players is teh way to go.
FS? I think that they liked Marvin White out of TCU and it’s a shame that he isn’t available anymore. It’s likely that Gattis and Wendling are prospects that are rated similarly.
OG? We don’t know what the team thinks of Cory Proctor, we do know what we have at starter in Kosier and I have high hopes for Davis. We also know this, Marten can also play G.
Doug Free! Good pick.
Doug Free…Cowboys pick
the Broncos took the pot head.
AHHHH Denver took Marcus Thomas!
Ok, how about The Kicker from Colorado?
Istant starter…
Sirius - we need some left handed relievers and a utility infielder or we are in trouble.
We were going to take Thomas. F@#$
OK at least we should have a strong O Line
Cowboys pick Doug Free, im telling you guys thats a great pick
thats why denver traded
they got marcus thomas
thanks denver, I didnt wanted him on the team
Free’s a OT or OG?
Free’s an OT
Finally, a pick i think we all like
sorry, who’s Doug Free?
We’ve drafted 2 tackles and have McQ…ones moving to OG?
OK, so we like this why? Did we need another OT?
Well, I’m less excited about Doug Free, but he is a guy who has opened up a lot of holes for Garrette Wolfe at N Illinois. Opened up big holes against some top Big 10 competition too, in Ohio State and Michigan
Doug Free gives us another tackle. Good pick!
I would have liked Gaddis. I would like to have positive feelings toward on FS on the roster.
Frees a quality player…ranked from 64 to 77 on some boards…including above our third round pick in one ranking
The OT from Boston College can play all the Guard spots and center as well as RT.
With the thin air Marcus wont have to smoke as much for the same buzz and will be able to pass the piss test.
Nice pick.
Free’s 6-7, 318 lbs ..”Regarded as one of the elite offensive tackles in college football” - from NFL.com
Are we now down to two in the 6th and two in the 7th?
Ok. I’m happy with that pick.
6-6 and 320+ pounds.
sounds like somewhat of an opposite from marten b/c free supposedly has real good feet but lacks drive blocking skills.
Logjam at OT anyone?
Adams
Colombo
McQ
Marten
Free
If they draft any other OTs….
Word is that Marten is very versatile but cant pull for s*^t. Maybe they’ll try Free inside.
We’ll see.
I agree with those that say what the hell is Jerry doing.
The first move was genius but so what, hes bound to screw it up next year.
You could have had Eric Wright (despite the character issues) who could compete for Henry’s job giving you flexibility to move him to FS if things dont work out with Hamlin and Watkins.
You could have had Trent Edwards who has the skills to be a franchise QB but needs time.
Lets say Romo is not the answer, our WR get old and Julius JOnes splits, then what the hell do you do next year…package the picks and get the best QB then what about RB and WR or vice versa….what is the experiment at FS doesnt work either. YOu could have 4 possibly 5 holes next year with DT.
If you take Wright or Edwards , you at least are trying to fill 2 of those. You could have had Jason Hill or yor DT, there are so many players on the board. Jerry is trying to be too cute and he is screwing up this draft.
So what if we have 2 1’s next year. You cant fill QB, RB, WR, DT, OT, FS with those number 1’s
I think Jerry’s gone waaaay overboard on the versatility thing.
I think that the QB we took would have been there in the 6th.
I HATE TO R - E - A - C - H
Finally, we’re addressing our o-line with some good young players.
Free’s college coach -
“No question, Doug has the talent to play on Sundays. Knock on wood, I believe he’s going to be a first-round draft pick. Doug Free’s a lot better athlete than Ryan Diem. (Free) can run! You just don’t see many offensive linemen that can run at that size like he can. What’s impressive is he’ll sit back in pass protection and then we’ll throw the ball down the field and he’ll run down field and block a safety. I mean, get downfield! You just don’t see kids who can do that. He’s special. Our kids call him ‘Doug Freak’ because he runs so well.”
We can’t have 5 tackles on the roster…is our 3rd rounder going to be backup G/C? I’ve read he isn’t a very good prospect at Guard. This is getting ridiculous. If Free was better than our third, than we should have chosen him in the third.