Cowboys @ Redskins 1st Half Thread
Posted: December 30, 2007 @ 3:37 am
I’ll be out most of the day, so start your tailgating reeeeal early.
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200 Responses to “Cowboys @ Redskins 1st Half Thread”
Posted: December 30, 2007 @ 3:37 am
I’ll be out most of the day, so start your tailgating reeeeal early.
200 Responses to “Cowboys @ Redskins 1st Half Thread”
I’m looking forward to seeing some of the guys playing that don’t usually get to much playing time.
I am also wondering which guys will be resigned and which ones from other teams will be brought in (signed) before the draft. I’d like to think Jerry will try to do as much as he can without breaking the bank before the draft. Hamlin worked out really well as did Bigg.
Its a bummer that Watkins is out - I would have liked to see him start and see what he could do.
Be interested to see:
> how JJ goes with a bigger load, he is playing for a big contract (with another team)
> how our non-starter linemen go, particularly Free
> how BC goes (assuming he gets decent time)
> and of course how TG looks
Don’t forget Carpenter. I’d like to think he wasn’t a first round bust but how can you tell if he doesn’t make it to the field?
I’m watching the Pats last night, and the more I watched, the more irritated I got at the contract that Jerry gave Patrick Crayton.
This is the spot in which the Pats separate themselves from us. Wes Welker is the kind of complimentary WR that makes a a great offense into a record setting offense. He killed us on 3rd downs when we played them. He’s almost imposssible to cover in the slot, and he’s always open. Teams that try to take away Moss get killed in the middle of the field because you can’t double Moss and cover Welker and Watson in the middle.
Contrast with our team, and I really feel like defenses only really have to stop two weapons in the passing game and we start sputtering. Now I have no problem with Crayton returning as a 3rd WR. But with the money that was paid to this mediocre (at best) receiver…..it seems to me that we’re almost locked into this guy being a starter next year. I find this highly disppointing, when we could be one bold move away from having an offense as explosive as the Pats. Why did Jerry give Crayton starter money? I know the WR free agent class is pretty this this year, but the Pats actually traded for Welker. A little creativity would have been nice here. I think we’re stuck now. Unless we draft a stud WR, but they usually take a while to develop.
I just have a really hard time time with the fact that we overpaid so badly for the weak link in our offense. For the attention that Owens and Witten get, Crayton’s numbers are pretty pedestrian. On a bad team, he would be even worse. I really don’t get this one. I’m concerned with the kind of money that Jerry has been throwing around lately. I love Ratliff, but he overpaid there, also. We’re going to end up in salary cap hell again in a couple of years and we’ll have the wonderful Patrick Crayton and his 600 yards locked up at WR2, preventing a great offense from becoming truly historic.
We’re a great team but the Pats are better. You need to look no further than Crayton/Welker to understand why.
OK we all know the Patriots are a good team, but how much help are they going to get from the officials? We all saw the “phantum” pass interference call against the Ravens. Now, last night!! .. I am not one to cry over officiating, and I actually wanted the Pats to win, but I saw a bunch of calls that help decide last night’s game.
#1 - The Cory Webster “illegal contact” call. The Giant’s CB released on the N.E. receiver about 5-6 yards up field .. away from the play (which would have resulted in a sack). This is usually a call not made. 5 yards and a “change of possession” b/c it was 3rd and long.
#2 - How many times is Rodney Harrison going to hit and push players well after the whistle? I counted at least 3 times, and he was called for it once (late in the game). Harrison could have easily been flagged 2 more times for another 30 yards.
#3 - The Giant’s kickoff returner is hit late near the sidelines by Brandon Merriweather. The officials call a person foul against New York??? A clear swing of 30 yards. NFL Net replayed it, and there was clearly no foul against the G-men.
#4 - Vince Wilfork pokes his fingers through Brndon Jacobs face mask at his eyes. No call.
.. Ok the Pats are a good team, but are the NFL officials going to call a fair game? It will make me sick if this trend continues in the playoffs. These teams are battling hard and deserve a fair game.
Playmaker-I think Crayton signed a reasonable contract for a 3rd wide out. Granted he’s not Welker but he’s still very good, versatile and a great locker room guy. How can you knock Jerry for signing a young effective NT that can also play DE. He has improved as he has gotten on the field and can still get better. In fact he will probably push Ferguson off the roster next year. I just can’t fault Jerry for locking up young guys that will contribute as role players for years to come. We still have plenty of cap room for top shelf players.
Playmaker,
You’ve got to be kidding me?? Right?? The guy is our #2 WR this year. He’s played well. We payed him #3 WR money. What the hell is there not to like?? Hell, he’s not even making twice what our punter is. He got the same signing bonus that David Givens got 2 or 3 years ago. How is that overpaying?? Jerry made two extremely cap friendly signings in Crayton and Ratliff and you’re ripping him for it?? Are you paying attention to what guys are making in FA these days?? Salaries increase every year. You can’t just tell a guy you’re going to pay him like it’s 2004 or something. This is 2007 and he’s getting paid like it??
Now you’re also complaining about Ratliff?? WTF does the guy have to do to get some frigging respect from some fans?? 7th round pick that’s starting and goes out and plays his ass off every damn snap, gets a cap friendly contract that rewards him and still allows us to go out and resign other players, but it’s still not good enough. Look, I get it. Some of you guys just hate Jerry so much that you’ll look for fault in everything, but do you really think Jerry doesn’t know what Rat and Crayton would be worth on the FA market?? Do you really think he overpaid for those two guys?? Look at what Washington paid Antwan Randle El. He’s the definition of 3rd WR and he got a $30 mill deal. Jerry actually saved us money. Come back in off the ledge.
As for Welker, of course everyone wants a Welker now. But who the heck said so before this season besides the Pats?? The Dolphins had him on the roster and basically gave him away to the Pats. Welker hadn’t proved anything in this league yet and the Pats, the almighty perfect Pats, gave him a $5.5 mill signing bonus. What’s so smart about that?? I wonder if they had fans ripping that signing?? I’m not taking anything away from Welker, but he’s succeeding because he’s the #3 WR. The guy is basically just a better version of Brandon Stokley. Got two excellent WR’s on the sides of him and he takes advantage of his opportunities. You put a healthy TG and TO on the side of Crayton, throw it as much as the Pats do, and watch how much production we get from Crayton.
Eric R.
I agree with that. I get real tired of hearing guys like Peter King talk about how classy the Pats are because they’ve won 3 SB’s and now they’re perfect for the regular season. As if that gives someone class. I’ve been saying all year that those guys are hitting out of bounds and playing dirty every chance they get but it doesn’t get looked at. Harrison’s got so much roid rage going on that he can’t stop himself. How many flags did he get last night??
I just heard on BSPN that Wilfork will probably be fined for trying to poke Jacob’s eye out. He won’t be suspended though since Jacobs didn’t get hurt. Imagine if Jacobs had done that to Brady?? What would have happened then?? To the NFL you don’t get suspended unless Jacobs is hurt and misses his team’s playoff game and the Giants lose. Then they’ll suspend Wilfor.
Playmaker:
As alluded to above, Welker’s contract is 5 years at $18.1 million, which he signed in March.
Crayton got paid the money he did because he is one of the most sure-handed receivers in the league (especially when you take out the game in which he had a compounded dislocation of his finger and he dropped that touchdown pass).
I don’t like to talk about the next season for our team, especially when we are not even to the playoffs, yet, but there are a couple of FA receivers out there to possibly replace Terry Glenn, including speedster Devery Henderson out of New Orleans, who is certainly one guy who can stretch the defense. I think he ran a 4.3 second 40 in the combine.
Other free agent options out there include Bernard Berrian and Bryant Johnson.
Another Pats signing in the offseason was Donte Stallworth at 6 years, $32 million. His least expensive year is this year at $3.6 million (or about the average annual cost of Crayton’s contract).
vandy,
Good points. If anyone thinks Crayton got too much money, wait and see what’s thrown at guys after the season. Jerry SAVED us money.
Also, I like Berrian if Glenn is done. I think Berrian would fit right in with TO and Crayton. He’s a good WR and he’s got good game speed. I hadn’t even thought about Henderson and didn’t know he was going to be a FA. With his speed he’d be an even better choice.
Has anyone watched a lot of Michigan games?? That Manningham looked like the best WR in college last year but I haven’t heard much this year. Wonder if he could come in and be an impact type WR in the NFL??
One angle regarding today’s game I haven’t seen discussed at all is the revenge factor for Brad Johnson. He DESPISES Danni Snyder. You might recall that Snyder hand-picked loser Jeff George to usurp Johnson after Johnson had led the Redskins to an NFC East title and a playoff win (would have been two wins but for a bobbled FG snap - sound familiar?) in 1999. Johnson of course went on to win a SB with Tampa, but I have seen a couple games where he relished beating the Redskins, in 2003 with the Bucs in which he threw 4 TDs and last year’s opening game win with the Vikings. In fact, Johnson wore his old Redskins t-shirt to that postgame press conference as a giant “Eff You” to Snyder, quite funny I thought. Not saying Johnson will win the game necessarily today, but he does have motivation, even seven years after the fact.
Also, I think that Greg Ellis is seriously deserving of NFL Comeback Player of the Year, but my guess is that Randy Moss will get it. Moss of course wasn’t injured in 2006 but took the year off mentally.
Eric
NE is classless. It starts with Belicheat and cascades down through the ranks. I believe RMoss might be the classiest player on NE, how much does that say about the rest of the team. Harrison’s antics are despicable and VWilfolk’s little eye poke ranks right up there with AHaynesworth’s Gurode attack. I’m sure I’m not the oldest fan here but you have to go back to the days of the Raiders of old to see such classless play.
And if I am gauging Brad Johnson’s feelings about Dan Snyder correctly, he would probably like nothing more but to inflict a near-fatal blow to the Redskins’ playoff chances today with a Cowboy victory.
Im leaving for the game.
observations later.
Manningham is a junior. I am not sure if he will choose to come out or not. He has got some speed, but also dropped some crucial passes throughout the year, so we’ll see.
I know that one name from last year that was popular, especially on these boards, was Saints 1st round pick Robert Meachem. I am not sure he has been active yet this year.
It goes to show you that you just never know.
What’s up with the exceeded CPU quota errors? Was happening last light, too.
Radio guys are saying big rain and poor field conditions mean Glenn is inactive today. Stanback is in
Playmaker
as much as Welker appears to be a 2 or 3 reciver I think he is the number 1 reciever.
As he goes the Pats go. The Gmen hit on something last night putting Ross on him.
Brady goes to him on every 3rd and short. You stop him and the pats are stopped. That is how the eagles and ravens defended him. They also hit him the entire game. On runs and every chance they got those two teams hit him.
I would play Newman straight up on him the entire game. I would also have the LB chip him every chance he gets.
Stallworth is not going to beat you. Moss may,but when Brady is under pressure he goes to welker.
The best thing could be the Pats have to play Jax/SD nd then Indy.
Jax or SD’s defense will beat up the Pats.
vandy
I’m not a big fan of Manningham’s game.
Robert Meachem showed up for camp fat and out of shape. He screwed up and didn’t start his career off on the right foot.
Eric,
The more I think about it, Chris Long is the perfect draft pick for Bill Parcells. Son of a HOF Player, smart player, hard worker, played for Al Groh who BP knows and trusts.
I think Dorsey will get a LONG look though.
Matt Ryan is a heck of a qb, but I don’t think he is the best player available.
Inactives:
Stanback
Nate Jones
Martin
Owens
Gurode
Ratliff
Newman
Watkins
Bummer that Stanback won’t see some solid playing time. I expected him to have a role by this point in the season.
Stanback’s inactive. Was hoping we could see a little from him. Just got caught in the numbers crunch of having to have so many people active just to play. Stupid NFL roster rules!!!
jkdallas:
We’ve been trying some Google analytics since yesterday. If it continues to cause us problems I’ll disable it.
jkdallas,
I was having that problem yesterday too. What’s up with that crap??
I don’t think Meachem has played yet either. But the biggest problem he had was a bad knee. I think it was a torn meniscus?? Not sure but he was injured from the start. I don’t remember hearing anything about him being injured before the draft so I wonder if he slipped something by the Saints’ docs??
Jerry sez Glenn IS starting. Sorry for the bad info
kam/jk:
I’ve disabled it. Let’s see what happens today …
Cool. Thanks, Raul!
eric: post 5, I think the same on that IC call on Webster that gave the Patriots a 1st down. What a S*&T call that was. The Patriots have little to be proud of in my book. They owe it all to the refs beginning with that S*&T non-fumble call against the Raiders years ago. The rest of your list is right-on too.
Charb
Where do you find the inactives for the game? I can never find them.
I am surprised about JJ saying Glenn will start. I just checked weather.com and the map of the Washington area is covered in green (rain). I don’t want to see Glenn at risk if the field is bad.
No Stanback! Damn.
rmac
I listen to the Cowboys pre game show on the Ticket. Mickey gives the inactives about 90 minutes before kick off.
If you want to find out inactives of games already played, go to NFL.com and look at the Game Book.
Thanks Charb
What’s up with Atlanta up by 10pts over Seattle?
Thanks Raul.
The DMN blog has the inactives too but knowing them they’ve probably figured out a way to steal the stuff from Raul and Raf. LOL.
I thought they had said that Terry would play but that Hurd would start.
Kam
Jerry Jones said on the pre game show that Glenn would start.
nice play Hamlin
that play in front of Williams or Henry is always open…
nice job spears!
Hurd started
why cant we cover in D thy way Wash just covered Crayton on that play…what a surprise…Juluis for a yard.
Witten had 3 defenders on him…
And JJ bursts off tackle for one…
there you go!!!!!….nice coverage
D looks good.
aaaargh!!!!
Buck is less than spectacular…
Nice whiff Reeves
Who missed the first Cooley tackle? For 10 yds.
I take it back. D looks not so good…
our deffense officially stinks!!!!…I dont care wat the stats say…..we really suck on deffense
the yellow flag kills, 7
What is our salary cap hit if we cut Roy?
No intensity on D. I think they’re waiting for the playoffs to start.
cip_cip
I wonder that every week
Roy Williams has got to go!!!
Nasty conditions, fired up home crowd, nothing to really gain from game except 14-2= zero intensity
Terry Glenn just took the field, Let’s get it going!!!
Roy can’t cover…Roy can’t tackle…
Who missed the tackle on Cooley? Roy
Who missed the tackle on Portis? Roy
Roy Williams just isn’t Roy anymore. JJ needs to make a huge decision for the betterment of the team and cut Roy and count our losses. He is just not even worth having on the field. He simply refuses to tackle correctly and he has been exposed in coverage over the last couple years.
Wade sit him and let KD play. I believe he played efficiently against Carolina.
BS!!!!…this deffense has played with no intensoty all season…same stupid play that gave Grant the 70 yard TD run…..let’s not make any more excuses for this deffense!!! they stink….the offense has been covering their weakness all year. No T.O today= no offense= show me what you got D…..and they sow you nothing at all….they stink!
there’s Terr Glenn also…..I can’t watch this.
Are we giving this game away?
welcome back TGlenn.
Get the starters off the field…this is embarrasing!
tony romo, could you be anymore predictable?
another TE abusing Roy Williams????
R. Williams on coverage, 1st Down!
Get Roy out of the game, he can’t even cover a TE.
Roy pushes Cooley out of bounds (good job Roy)
I don’t get those pass interference calls. Randel-El manhandles our CB to get to a call. How was that interference on us?
Then Springs clearly hits Glenn before the ball arrives and no call.
fumble ruski
Joe Buck is the second coming of Bryant Gumble!!!
THEY STILL SUCK!!!!!
Great play on D. Bradie James recovered the fumble. We get the ball back thanks to Ware force out.
D. Ware comes up big!!
Pass Interference in the NFL is the most non-consistent call there is. I do not know what is interference and what is not anymore……
schmoe buck and troy will talk about c. portis and t. collins all game, on how great they are, blahblahblah!!
Who’s doing our play calling? What a joke!
send glenn deep!!!
What a joke!
BC can’t make the tackle on ST.
Look at the the offense stats before and after Owens. Without him we are nothing. Nobody can get open…NOT even Glenn so far.
Bradie James is on today, so far!
Now Roy tackles….sigh/…
Wow, r williams made a tackle
Tank lost his helmet on that play. End of 1st.
Defense is playing Okay.
Offense can’t seem to get anything started. They seem lost without Owens.
I hate seeing the offense play without intensity, they look so lackluster.
I can’t listen to Buffoon and the Turncoat. I’ve turned the sound off, and am listening to Cowboy’s radio. Here’s the link if anyone is sick of listening to those two, like I am.
http://www.channelsurfing.net/listen-cowboys.html
once again the refs are screwing up the game. That call on Ball was BS and not even the lousy announcers said anything about it. Buck and Aikman stink.
It’s coming back. no catch.
thank God for IR as the refs can’t make the right call today to save their lives.
3rd and ten….send moss again…they’ll get it this time.
what the hell was Reeves doing…covering who behind him and letting Moss alone???
Oh My, We actually held on a 3rd & long!!!
This game is just going to be irritating.
He let Roy cover him.
didnt he miss all of those when he was with us??????….can we get a 1st down?
Yep.
If Romo stumbles on this posession they should just take him out. Screw the Danny White record. Let Danny keep it.
Slow Start….
Redskins 164 yards
Cowboys 14 yards
hey we got a 1st down…
Hope TO makes it back for the first playoff game. I also hope we do not see the Deadskins or Giants the first game.
What a disappointment it would be if the boys went one and done again this year.
Ya..by penalty..
ManTab:
yeah from a pass interference call. lol
2 1st downs!
T Glenn is hurt…
one knee = two feet
glenn is hurt. hurd makes a great catch. I think it goes our way.
what the hell with the officials today man??????????? that pass to hurd on first down on this drive was int too and was not called…..now this. We have xhallebneged twice and we’;; win both…..
need for another IR call. these refs should be fired.
Good call CHARB
This game is crap.
Take Romo out.
Take Ware out.
Take Witten out.
Take Barber out.
Let Tyson Thompson, Tony Curtis and Brad Johnson finish up.
Another good catch by Hurd
Looks like Flo’s out-good!
How did Glenn get hurt??
that’s how you turn a 1 yard loss into a 4 yard gain…..take note Juluis
Wonder how many yards JJ would have made on that run.
run for it tony!!! you had it!!!
Kudos to Spears and BJames for giving it their all, though.
And although I’m starting tp doubt our team’s ability to win more than one playoff game, we ARE only 10 behind, on the road, playing like crap…..
great momentum into the playoffs!!! great december boiys
This is ridiculous.
Ok, that was pathetic. Nice drive, bad kick. Looked like he was afraid to plant his left foot….
This game is awful. Get the starters out and let the deadskins have their day … they’re one-and-done in the playoffs anyhow
Hadn’t scored less than 24 pts all year, now this will make 3 wks in a row.
Romo should have run, and what is more, I’m down to 6 beers in this pathetic a** game and we’re not even to halftime yet.
Landry took Glenn’s legs out and Terry didn’t see him coming because the pass was incomplete.
Romo is making bad decisions. He could have easily got the 1st down there. Looking for records hurts. Get Johnson in and lets win it in the second half.
WARE is a FREAK
No way was his hand going forward.
DWare is a beast!
Folk gets back the one he missed.
Someone please tell Romo he does not have to throw every ball to witten!!
Can’t run it and Tony doesn’t look good.
why in the hell don’t they go to Hurd. The man is hot and catchig everything. Isn’t Garrett watching the gane?
Why can’t Roy do that all the time???
Ok, gotta admit that Roy had good coverage on that third down.
bet a $1000 bucks they put Juluis bak there to run it out of the 1 yardline instead of barber….
Didn’t you ALL just love Roy Williams tackle on Clinton Portis on his TD?
Williams has such good technique and ability.
I think Williams is the best player in the NFL.
He is so special, he could play QB, WR, RB, and even left OT.
time for 99 yards to Glenn.
Dorsett’s record could be tied right now.
TO single handedly whipped these guys in the first go around. Hurd or Crayton has to step it up. Witten would have had a TD if TR could have led him with the ball rather than into his body. It’s not as bad as it looks…maybe it’s worse…or not.
no!!! good coverage is bating the ball down or hitting the crap out of the receiver s that he doesnt make the catch. Cooley made the mistake of not running a 2 yard deeper route
I will say this now with 100% confidence
Keith Davis is a better SS than Roy Williams and he proved it during Williams suspension.
Wow..That was a quick $ 1,000.00
Romo looks worse than Bledsoe
Aikman is correct on this one.
Dallas is not sharp. They do look sloppy.
There are reasons BUT no excuses.
I think they should put Roy Williams in at QB so he can show everyone how GREAT he is.
Reeves, about as worthless as tits on a bull!!!
We went downhill last Dec. and we’ve played like s*** since the Green Bay game.
Does not bode well for the playoffs.
That should be overturned!
Its hard to look worse than Bledsoe.
Bledsoe was a statue not a player.
Pick 6, come on baby!!!
What a shock, a 3rd and long conversion.
Our great offense looks pedestrian without TO.
Our great offensive line cannot get a first down on the ground.
And we still have most of our starters in a game that does not matter……..how does it affect your psyche to play the starters and still lose to the Redskins going into the playoffs.
TO…….get your CORTISONE shot ready. We need THE PLAYER.
Two things I haven’t liked thus far-
1. Very sloppy & not effective offense
2. Portis multiple 10 yard runs
This secondary is S***!!!!!!!! They’ll probably get a f****** TD!
Why does our freaking secondary always look lost?
Romo looks like crap!
are we even playing……Henry looked like he did not care on that last play.
73 yards in the first half?
It’s NOT going to happen but wouldn’t it just kill you to loose the NYG i the playoffs after beating them twice in the regular season.
What a joke!!!
Why wouldn’t it happen the way we’ve been playing?
try a FG!!!!
A team that needs this game, yet, all they can muster up is 13 pts.
Sarcasm button pressed:
“We should cut Tony Romo and bring back Drew Bledsoe. This team just sucks, one and done. If you can’t beat the Redskins, you don’t deserve to be in the playoffs. We won’t have any momentum going into playoffs, it’s over. That damn kicker, he f’in sucks. I hope Jason Garret does leave, he’s as blind as a bat. Just chunk the ball to Hurd and you’ll win the game.”
You guys just depress me, I’m done. Get out of this game with no injuries in that kind of weather, I’m happy. Grill me all you want.
Okay, let Brad come in and beat these Skins in the 2nd half. We’re only down by 10.
I hate to see the Cowboys look bad but seriously, I am not worried by what I see in this game.
They have 2 weeks to prepare for something that does matter. With TO & Glenn on the field together our offense will be fine.
And if we replace Roy Williams with Keith Davis or anyone else for that matter, our defense can be dominant in these playoffs.
This has disaster written all over it, what a joke.
what are you doing? try the FG????
That was stupid!
you’re as stupid as they come…you embarrass me and all your fans….all of you!!!! fuckers!
WTF!!!! Try the F****** FG!!!
what was that? Romo was mugged.
how about a does of Brad Johnson please.
That is all we need to lose Romo in a game that doesn’t count for crap.
I know that Aikman has been praising Romo recently but it almost sounds like he wants Romo to be hurt.
and he got hurt apparently…..what a stupid play
How did they win 13 games?
for crying out loud. Our PB kicker is on the sidelines while the Redskins are given a free shot to mugg Romo. Wade?????
Some of you guys need to come in off the ledge.
Jerry Jones better get in there with some of extra caffeinated pepsi he pushes, the offense looks pedestrian.
Mantab Duuuuuuuude
It is hard to watch and is extremely frustrating BUT this game means nothing.
Playing bad today does NOT equal playing bad in the playoffs.
This team has far too much talent not to go to the Superbowl and beat Jacksonville.
Our team sucks, no team pride in their hearts!!!
This game means NOTHING to them, and you can see that in their body language. Take Romo out, get through the game healthy, and get ready for a matchup in two weeks.
Some of you guys have me laughing at my computer screen, when I read some of the statements of pure hysteria.
Jay,
How old are you. Seriously. You act this this has never happened before.
Six playoff teams lost today, many to awful opponents. Because they’re saving their bodies for the games that count. These don’t.