Clip & Save — Mock #1
Posted: February 27, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
My first day mock, as of February 27th. I’m taking a conservative approach here, assuming Dallas re-signs Marion Barber long term and makes a strong push for Flozell Adams.
Round 1
pick 22 — Dominque Rogers Cromartie, CB Tennessee State : I saw a mock today that puts him in the top ten. That’s the power of a 40 time on some mockers. He had a fantastic combine but I think this is getting carried away. I do think he’ a first rounder now. He would be the first Tennessee Stater to go in the first since Ed Too Tall Jones and Waymond Bryant went in the top ten back in 1974. Let’s hope Too Tall is sending some of that old school mojo to his old pro team.
pick 28 — Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State: He’s big and productive and put up a 4.40 40 time that should answer questions about his speed.
Round 2
pick 61 — Red Bryant, NT, Texas A&M: People on this board have been screaming for a nose tackle the last two years. Here’s your guy. A 322 lb. run stuffer.
Round 3
Matt Forte, RB, Tulane: Ran a 4.46 at 217 lbs.
Comments
201 Responses to “Clip & Save — Mock #1”
FIRST!
Raf, do you not think Mendenhall or Stewart will be there at 28?
Or do you forsee the cowboys perhaps pursuing Turner?
Stewart might be, but Dallas MUST leave round one with a CB.
BTW, Forte’s 4.46 was faster than Felix Jones’ 4.47.
I do NOT want Jones in round one. I sneer at every mock that gives him to Dallas at 22 or 28. I would only consider Mendenhall or Stewart that high, cause I think Jones isn’t a first round back.
I agree with Bryant in the 2nd round. I don’t see him making it past Miami’s 3rd round pick.
I didnt want to say that about Jones, but I am not a big fan esp. in the first round, Nick eatman didnt think he would make it to our 22nd pick, if someone did us a favor like that would be similar to miami and Ginn.
Its not about Forte, I am not familiar with him, nor devin Thomas, I just grind my teeth when i see a receiver in round 1. Tried to research a little, and most mocks from what I saw have him as a second Round pick.
I know you like the NT, from A&M, but is there a way that you can see us perhaps draft DRC, Then Stewart, Then Thomas at 61 and getting Bryant with the third round pick if even if we have to sacrifice our 3 and 4 round picks?
Mount Stanley(I think that’s the nick name this blog was using) was a pretty good nickname for a NT. Give it another shot with Big Red.
Oh forgot to ask too, if we did draft bryan wouldnt Parcells be interested in Fergie, seems like Parcells always brings his old guys back initially and Fergie would be perfect for him. What kind of cap impact would that have, and this is only in the event we have Bryant and Johnson and Nose and Ratliff and ??? at ends?
we won’t and shouldn’t draft a rb in round one. come on. if you draft rb in first round then we don’t need to sign barber. first round rbs don’t split carries.
If possible & the right players are available I would like to see us go CB, CB with 22 & 28.
Raf,
Are you suggesting we part ways with Spears and Ratliff become our DE because we just committed to him at DT and a 2nd round pick for a position we have him in, Ferguson in, and Johnson in seems to be a luxury pick. When we could draft a second CB, WR, or OT with the 2nd I just think that you have to do that.
Help me understand that line of thinking.
I agree w/dan… I understand true run stuffing nose tackles are a real commodity, but don’t we have a bit of a jam at the nose?
What is projected to be the value positions in the second and third rounds?
boysfan,
Nice try but it was Mountavious Stanley!! Anyways, doesn’t seem like a bad draft.
HailMary,
If Dallas got DRC at 22 and decided to add Tracy Porter at 28 I would not complain one bit.
Male25Dan,
The Cowboys were soft up the middle last year. Ratliff did a very commendable job. They were not pushovers, but he’s what, 290? He’s not a prototype NT.
Ferguson is the closest Dallas has and he’s 308, in his 30s and coming off a season ending injury.
He’s the only sure thing, since Tank Johnson was rusty, didn’t look like anything special and lists at 300 or 305. I don’t think he’s a long term answer.
In other words, the Cowboys are living the QB adage at NT — if you’ve got three guys, you really have none.
Ratliff’s future is at 3-4 DE and 4-3 DT, because he can rush.
I see the glass half empty there. If Dallas has a big body who could really clog up the middle, this defense could be nasty. Right now, it’s good. Think of how the Giants ran up their gut in all three games. Thomas upgrades over Ayodele, but the Cowboys could still use an upgrade at NT, IMO.
Raf,
You think Ray Rice falls to the third round? If so why Forte over Rice?
Forte’s bigger and faster. More of what Dallas has been looking for, which are backs in the Barber mold.
I really like ratliffs ability against the run and pass rushing ability at DE(34) but I am worried that we wont resign canty, spears he to me had almost a Akin type year, if you get my draft but at least on the field I guess (you know who I am talking about) I would like to see Bryant with Ratliff and Canty manning the other spots, James and Thomas with Ware and Ellis-Spencer, and Newman, Drc, Hamlin at SS, and Watkins at Fs
Nickel
Ware, Hatcher, Ratliff,Spencer-Ellis,
Burnett, Thomas(He shut down witten to two catches and is an excellent pass defender)
Newman, DrC, Henry,Hamlin, Watkins,
If Drc can win the starting Job it could increase Henrys productivity, and extend his career(hopefully)
Dime
Hopefully Hamlin, Watkins, Newman, DRC, Henry, and maybe Ball or someone we draft this year unless market value for reeves is not as high as her percieves, I am “OK” with him as the fourth corner in Dime.
MAXDOUT, We resign Barber and yes use the second pick for a RB, do you recall what round Maroney went in, I think it was the first but he was not a starter, Dillon Was. I am not saying draft a RB to put up numbers like Carp I am saying to expel Barber and to continue that pounding the whole game not the first half.
FYI
Saw on Nfl network that the Pats reportedly have a deal in place with Moss
FWST is reporting we are going to tender Barber a first round NOT a first and third….should we be worried about losing him?
It could happen but probly wont but my fantasy draft
#22, Leodis Mckelvin
#28, Rashard Mendenhall
2nd rnd, Marcus Griffin
3rd rnd, Red Bryant
My guess would be in a draft this deep in rb that JJ isnt too afraid of teams trying to overpay for MB3.
Raf,
I like that idea. Everyone keeps saying we need some small, shifty speed back, but why not just take the best dang RB that we can get?? Who cares if the guy is more like Barber than like JJ?? Forte is big, he’s got 4.4 speed, and he was extremely productive in college. Just put the two best RB’s on the field that you can find and let things work out.
People forget Julius Jones was not small. He was short, but what, 206, 209 lbs.?
Whoever they draft or sign MUST block. This is Tony Romo’s offense. If you don’t have his back, you won’t make the field. Ask Tyson Thompson.
I predict Dallas Trades up for Mcfadden. I know Jerry says no now but I Know jerry loves draft day trades.
nwhargis,
If:
- Dallas tenders Barber as a straight one, he might get some offers.
– if they come from a team ahead of Dallas, and the Cowboys have three #1s, THEN your idea could come to pass.
But it has a lot of moving parts.
nwhargis
I agree if Mcfadden were to fall to around 7-8 witch i doubt JJ would def pull the trigger on that trade.
Do yall think its possible that JJ is wanting to get another 1st for Barber and get Mcfadden and sign Julius for cheap?
I think Barber will get a lot of attenion…would hate to see him go though.
raf,
i really liked where you were going a few threads back when you were talking about the cowboys maybe looking into a guy like turner. that would definitely give substantial early round flexibility in the draft to address other needs. do you realize that he runs a 4.40 (modest assessment, but the most believable one i could find), AND he’s 5′10″ and 237 lbs.? that would make for a pretty salty backfield.
i would really hate to see barber go. he gives this team an edge that i don’t think it’s ever had. it’s one thing to have to gameplan for a good RB, but to also have the thought of him knocking you unconscious upon impact gives a defender even more to worry about. good is one thing, good AND painful to tackle is something entirely different.
Now that the combine is over. How many players do you think have a first round grade now? In other words does Devin Thomas carry a first round grade now or is he just the BPA with a second round grade. I’m curious what you guys think is the cutoff point for first round grades.
Seems like off the top of my head there are about….
DL: Dorsey, Long, Ellis, Gholston, Harvey, Merling
LB: Rivers
Secondary: McKelvin, Jenkins, DRC, Talib?, Phillips?
QB: Ryan
RB: McFadden, Mendenhall, Stewart
OL: Long, Clady, Albert, Otah?, Williams?
WR: ???
What is that like 20 deep? I’m not sure if any of the wideouts have first round grades. Maybe Kelly? Who knows. Its late and i think i’m delirious
I believe that McKelvin, Jenkins, Talib, and DRC will all be gone by #22 (I hope I am wrong, but CBs are moving up the board, as always.)
I don’t think any of the other CBs available are worthy of a #22 pick, so we either need to move up, trade down, or choose another position at that spot.
NFL Draft Countdown just posted its latest 2 round mock. It has us taking Felix Jones and Mario Manningham in the first, and Justin King in the second. If this happens I will slit my wrist.
I too am beginning to believe DRC will not be available at 22. I like Limas Sweed or James Hardy over Devin Thomas. Matt Forte is intriguing. I like Justin Forsett but Fortes combination of size and speed is looking better and better.
I guess those gomers did not notice the very slow 40 time manningham did. that knocked him right out of the first rd.
Any RB we get has to be able and to have shown a very good ability to block and pick up blitzers. Felix Jones bad bench press and other worries makes me think we will not be looking there. As a matter of fact McFadden has not shown much there either.
Julius was about 210 or so the last couple of years and was very good at picking up the blitz.
What’s the 1st item I see at PFT this morning?
“Per Brad Biggs of the Chicago Sun-Times, the Bears have offered Berrian a five-year, $25 million deal with $8 million in bonus money. Berrian wants $24.5 million over the first three years, and bonuses north of $12 million.”
Is it just me or does that seem a bit pricey?
Its not just you.
The thing is, like Raf said, RB’s like Matt Forte and Kevin Smith are bigger backs than Felix Jones, they were starters at the RB position and major producers in college, and they’re also faster than Felix Jones. Why not wait to get one of them in the 3rd round instead of using a 1st round pick on Felix??
Whoever the site is that gave us Felix and Mario as our firsts must have a practice of only hiring crackheads to write for them. I wonder how those dunderheads even make it to the toilet to take a piss without plenty of help. I don’t like Felix, Mario, or DeSean Jackson as 1st round picks. As enticing as picking a guy is who might be in the Santana Moss/Steve Smith mold, I’d rather blow a 1st rounder on a receiver with size.
As long as Cromartie is at 22, he’s probably our best bet at 22. The skill players I’d spend a 1st on are Mendenhall, Stewart, or Devin Thomas.
Tashard Choice just ran a 4.5 forty so he’s not as fast as some of the other guys we’re talking about but he was the RB from the Senior Bowl that impressed me the most.
I’m going to be real interested to see what tenders we put on Barber and Canty. A mere first tender saves us $600K a piece. But a mere first sure seems to be tempting fate that they won’t get other offers. A 1st and 3rd almost assures we keep them as losing 2 high draft picks would be a TOUGH pill to swallow for the signing team. But if its only a 1st, I could see several teams going for those 2 guys.
Lets look at Barber. Think Seattle might be interested in him? You want to trade pick 25 for him? I would not.
Name a 3-4 DE draftee other than Long who could adequately replace Canty. Its not a real good year for 3-4 DEs.
I sure hope we pony up the high tenders for these guys. It will be easier to replace Barber than Canty. But I don’t want to lose either.
Ridgelake:
Long is too small to play DE in a 3-4, he could be a 3-4 outside backer..
Not sure that Matt Forte is the RB we need. I read that Barber ran a 4.49 40 time. Forte doesn’t seem to have the speed or quickness we need for our change of pace back.
Felix Jones is really good in the return game too. I’m not prepared to say we should use a first on him, but I like him and think he would be a good fit with Barber.
Raf, A Nose Tackle in the 2nd round?
We just signed Ratliff. Plus Fergie is coming back. Seems like there are more pressing needs. I would love to take another DB
in the second round. I love your first 2 picks and hope you are right.
Ridge, I agree and think resigning Canty is a must. Barber’s production would be easier to replace. Replacing his heart and what he brings to the field would not.
Can’t wait until midnight.
CaptainComeback,
You might see that nt in the second if someone signs Canty. I think that would make Ratliff the starting de and we would need some beef at the nose tackle.
I,m ready to see how this fa goes so we can get a more clear picture of the draft.
Also if we did sign a big nt, I would like to see how Tank looks at de.
Ridgelake
I agree that Felix Jones would be a good fit with Barber, he has great quickness. If we could get him in the second round somehow it would be sweet, maybe even with our second first.
I just want to get Free Agency out of the way to see where we stand going into the draft. It’s to hard to speculate.
I’ve read that Felix Jones has some injury concerns and his speed to the outside in college wouldn’t have the same results in the pros. I think I’d pass on him. I hate the fact that all these Mocks have us taking him just because he is from Arkansas.
A corner in round one is a must. McKelvin, DRC, Jenkins and Talib warrant first round picks. But have Cason and Justin King crept into the first round also? Cason is a great corner, people dropped him from first round status based on his anticipated forty time. I think he showed he’s not terribly slow at the combine. He sure gambles a whole lot but is he a late first rounder now? I think so although his value may be in the high second. What do you guys think?
King has good speed for a corner. He was one of the fastest out there at the combine. I can recall not too long ago that he was the pick we were yearning for. What has happened since then? The emergence of DRC? I agree DRC leaves me salivating but if we miss out on him. Why not go back to the “other” corner we were crazy about not too long ago.
Tulane’s Matt Forte
article in the USA during last season
USA TODAY MATT FORTE
gets you a bit excited about this guy!
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/cusa/2007-10-31-tulane-tailback-forte_N.htm
Matt Forte youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bbaIF22NGQ
Not sure Forte will still be around at round 3 though Raf.
I know running backs fall.. we shall see.
I forgot about Forte.. thanks for the reminder. He has a great juke and good pull away speed.
Mad,
“Per Brad Biggs of the Chicago Sun-Times, the Bears have offered Berrian a five-year, $25 million deal with $8 million in bonus money. Berrian wants $24.5 million over the first three years, and bonuses north of $12 million.â€
If the Bears are offering this, that means they like the guy and who is better at that evaluation than the current team. I feel better about the guy knowing they want him, so, I say we go after him.
I hesitate to chase the guys the other team doesn’t want. We won’t get a quality WR for less money unless we pick up one in the draft, and then it’s a crap shoot.
Berrian should be the #1 target in FA. I am beginning to wonder if we will go after a WR though. JJ talking about his gut feeling being that Glenn will play next year makes me think there may not be a FA WR in the plans.
Any news on the tenders for Canty & MBIII yet? I want those locked up.
rha, I wouldn’t mind Berrian either.
Agree with your philisophy except for the for
the fact that they resigned Grossman. I question there judgement. I do like Berrian though and would offer him a little less than the Bears, if he would rather try to catch passes from Grossman than Romo, than he should stay with the Bears.
TL, From what I’ve seen Jones does seem to be counting on Glenn. To me that would mean a WR in the draft is a high priority.
No word on Canty or Barber yet.
Resigning Grossman does make you question the state of the Bears mental stability…
Next they’ll grab Ryan Leaf as his backup
Captain,
Thats what worries me…
TL, I’m a little worried myself.
I’m done with Glenn and think we need
a WR in the draft not matter if we pick up a FA or not.
I really want to see us get a deal done with Canty. I really like and like what he brings to the team.
As far as MB3 goes, I think everybody knows where I stand.
CaptainComeback,
See my post in 14 for my feelings on NT.
RedRaider1US,
You ready to spend a first round pick on a kick returner? Can Jones block? I’m going to say this for the umpteenth time. Any back Dallas drafts has to be ready and able to pick up blitzers. If you don’t, you get Romo killed.
Then, you’re a first round version of Tyson Thompson. He was fast too. He returned kicks too.
He couldn’t block.
That’s why Dallas is looking to replace him.
Raf, Thanks for directing me to your post.
Your reasons are certainly valid. I still think we need as much secondary help as we can get but a NT wouldn’t bother me.
That kid you mentioned sounds like a beast.
If we get a good NT, then I think that pretty much leaves the door open to kick Ayodele out.
A run stuffer could really get Thomas open to make plays but also Burnett if he were to get in on the base defense.
I like Ayodele but Burnett has much more talent and Thomas would be a better fit based solely on his insticts and experience.
Sporting news has a mock draft with us taking the following
Rd 1
Andre Caldwell WR Florida
Reggie Smith CB Oklahoma
Rd 2
Jamaal Charles RB Texas
Rd 3
Geno Hayes- OLB- Florida State
They have Cromartie going DEEP in the 2nd round- does anyone feel that? I don’t.
Regarding NT, Tank looks like a completely different player than he did in Chicago. He looks too fit, if that possible. It seems he took advantage of the time off and ran too much and ate too many healthy things.
We watched him warmup at the Redskins game in Dallas, and the guy looks like Patrick Crayton in terms of muscle definition, an incredibly cut guy. Anyway, a football geek friend from NY noticed immediately that Tank looks small compared to his days in Chitown. Get him some groceries, looks like he can carry another 25lbs.
Regarding Berrian and the Grossman signing, I tend to feel Chicago knows what they are doing and were forced into signing Grossman, simply because the pickin’s are slim and he knows the system. Don’t hold that against them, Smith and his staff know the biz.
If they like Berrian, they have plenty of film and coaches hands on, to justify that opinion. They don’t want to lose him and that sez everything we need to know about the guy.
Swirv,
the strangest mock yet.
“I guess those gomers did not notice the very slow 40 time manningham did. that knocked him right out of the first rd.”
They must think we’re desperate. Or that GM Jerry and Co. will revert to their old shoddy drafting ways.
I still don’t see why so many mocks have us taking an outside LB on the first day.
Even if Ellis were to leave I still don’t think we would get a LB within the first 3 rounds.
Imagine the Pats without Wilfork or the Chargers without Williams…
Now imagine the Cowboys D with a big NT like that…
Could be the key to making this D truly scary…
Well, that and DRC (and tender Canty already!)
One side note- this mock was last updated on the 22nd.
If our draft looks like that mock, I’m going to be sick…
pac man is officially free to seek a trade i really think if given a contract like to’s with instant out clause this guy could really help us and cheap almost free in comparison to our options. this would allow us to let the draft come to us.
I’ve read that we might put the lower Tender on Barber would mean only a first round pick not a first and third. If that’s the case and they don’t match my suspision is Jerry is will sign Michael Turner.
TLCM,
That’s what I’m thinking.
Stephen Cooper and Donnie Edwards tore it up for the Chargers defense.
And come on, Teddy Bruschi and Junior Seau? Without Wilfork they would have been trucked.
I think Thomas can be very productive in this offense if we get someone to clog up that line.
One guy we won’t have to worry about next year…
Javon Kearse released by the Eagles
or trent green as a back up qb just say no to Carr.
*productive in this defense
I live in Aggieland and people around here are flabbergasted that Bryant is projected even as high as a third. I’m just sayin.
Captain, I fear we have our eye on DMAC, taking the 1 for Barber and trading up. That scares me, I like the Turner idea more.
Turner and Barber would be a sick backfield, who cares about change of pace backs if you have two that will hammer for 4 quarters.
Joker,
Exactly!
However, I’d kind of like to see Thomas just on the nickel/dime sets. I want to see Burnett move into the starting line up. He looked good last year.
Regardless of who’s in there, if we got a space eating NT who can keep the MLB’s clean…. it could change everything…
rha,
I REALLY hope your wrong…
Barber/Turner or Barber/draftee is much more appealing than Dmac…
There is a reason more an dmore teams are platooning RB’s…
Please Jerry, no Dmac!!!!
I don’t want to give it all up for DMac either.
I like’d the idea of getting 2 more picks for MB3 than possibly going out and signing a Free Agent like Turner. If we are only going to get one pick for him then I don’t know if it’s worth it.
Joker, Great point on Freeing up our MLB’s.
TL,
Yeah I too would like to see Burnett in on the base defense. But I don’t expect things to be so technical.
I think both can rotate in that spot depending on the situation. However I would sure like to see BOTH of them in on the nickel/dime defense.
Why do we thingk Jerry will make that move for one player? Are we giving him or the people in the room with him no credit for learning the trade over the ladt decade? JJ isn’t stupid folks. But he will happily fan the flames to see if any interestign trade offers come up. No such thing as bad press. Does anyone think he wants to take a chance of another winning drought with a new stadium opening up and ticket prices through the roof?
If McFadden drops out of the top 12 he might move up. Otherwise this is all speculation fueld by Jerry’s wildcat background.
Please excuse the typos
According to FWST’s Charean Williams, both Barber and Canty will be tendered at the 1st round only level (~$2 mil).
One or both may get offers. Depending on the offer (i.e., poison pill clauses - like “if he plays 30% of plays in Texas he’s the highest paid”) we will have a chance to match.
Now, would you rather have 4 number 1’s or Barber & Canty? Considering the class of RBs and our depth at DL, it would not be terrible if we lost them.
I don’t want to lose Canty.
I’ll take 3 number ones.
DMac is said to be the best RB to come out of SEC since Bo Jackson.
Is there really a price to big to try and get him?
Joker,
Good call, that could work for the base D.
Definately want to see both of them on the nickel. Great pairing for that set.
The Dime only has 1 LB… but, depending on the situation, either of them would be a good option as well.
Fighter,
Yeah it wouldn’t be terrible, but do you think a player in the bottom of the first round…or any part of the first round for that matter is going to come in and be as productive as Barber or Canty?
I wish it was Spears on the edge of free agency and not Canty. Not that I don’t like Spears but Ratliff is probably going to take his spot this year.
Fighter,
I’d rather have 2 #1’s and Barber & Canty. Granted there is RB depth, but I haven’t seen many DE’s that would fit the 3-4. Could be wrong…
Cash,
Yes…its called not getting a CB in the first round.
At least, not any DE’s that would match Canty’s play
I can’t remember is Bo Jackson in the HoF? No. One injury and you’re done. Making all these moves to get one guy is putting all your eggs in one basket. Ask Mike Ditka how many SB’s Ricky Williams took the Saints to.
You build a consistent performer by building a balanced team and taking measured risks- not by going all in with a pair of 3’s- that is what the Foreskins have tried to do…no luck there.
Cheating aside- I would prefer to model our efforts along the lines of the Pats than the Skins.
Rafael-
No talk of having sex with minors today or bashing police.
Your Mock is Perfect and a dream to behold.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3266893
Some statistical progression analysis of Bernard Berrian. I think they’re positive.
3:00 pm today are when the Tenders need to be in. I guess we’ll know by then.
Eatman, made an interesting point that if we slap MB3 with the lower Tender only one Draft pick all signs are that we are resigning him. If we wanted him gone we’d put the higher on him and get more for him.
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-5-585/Cowboys-want-Adams-to-stay-in-family.html
Cowboys want Adams to stay in family
If the False, Starting Fat Ass wants to stay, he should be willing to take a little less money.
Captain,
why such venom for a Pro Bowl tackle?
I was thinking about possible teams that might want to sign Canty and give up a 1st. Cleveland came to mind.
Could Cleveland sign a guy with a 1st round tender since they don’t have a first? Or would next year’s first be the payment?
Swirv,
Don’t like his false starts and feel he’s not worth the money he’s about to get.
Ridge, I don’t think anyone would give up a first round pick for Canty.
My guess mock for what it’s worth:
1. CB - Mike Jenkins - South Florida
* I think DRC & Leodis McKelvin both go before Jenkins now.
1. ILB - Curtis Lofton - Oklahoma
* Call me crazy but Z.Thomas is just a stop gap. We need better play at this position and this guy will be the real deal.
2. CB - Justin King - Penn State
* This draft should answer the CB concern for some time
3. WR - Eddie Royal - Virginia Tech
* Here is your WR (don’t pick one in round 1) Cowboys already like him - very good ST player.
4. RB - Tashard Choice - Georgia Tech
* Averaged 5.3 YPG in 2007
5. DT/NT - Richard Clebert - South Florida
* I think this kid has sleeper written all over him - I also think Bryant (big red) will go early in round 2.
Check this kid out - http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=37330&SPID=2981&DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=216810&Q_SEASON=2007
6. OG - Shannon Tevaga - UCLA
* This kid is mean - we need depth inside on the OL - http://uclabruins.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tevaga_shannon00.html
7. S - Ryan Mundy - West Virginia
* http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=10094
Captain,
Supply and Demand-It isn’t his fault that the market for his services are high. Look at Dockery’s deal from last year- and he is a Guard!!
For the record- I don’t like the false starts either. I like having Romo take shots from his blindside even less. Say what you want but Flo went toe to toe with some of the best rushing ends in the league and did a nice job all season.
Look at the 15 sack game that the Giants laid on the Eagles with Justice in there to see how much that would suck.
If we sign Flo you can forget making any other FA moves. Basically the only upgrade to our team this year will be in the draft and thats a crap shoot.
Plus, We need to sign T New and T.O. next year. We have to take a risk somewhere.
No risk. No reward.
I understand the LT’s are hard to come by but he is a getting old.
Swirv,
We assume there will be this tremendous fall off if Flo leaves. If the powers believed that, Flo would already have been signed.
My guess is Houck already knows what he has and is willing to let Flo walk. I hope that is the case, that would be the impact move of the off season for sure.
It would be good, it would be good, I say it would be good if that were so. Keep telling your self that and have faith, the powers know better than we.
What on earth would we do this time of year with out this blog?
It’s a tough call on Flo. If you feel like we have a window to win it all now, you’d really hate it if you didn’t sign Flo and discovered the inexperienced back-ups can’t play.
It’s a tough call for Flo too. I’m sure he’d take less money to stay here and try to win, but how much less?
All you have to do is point to Indy, Cleveland and a few others that started rookies last year and did extremely well.
Further, we have not 1 but 4 options, all with varying levels of experience, but all with starting “talent”.
Only a 1st-round tender for Barber? hmm, maybe it was a good thing that I didn’t buy his jersey recently.
I think Jerry and Big Bill have a secret plan. Miami will sign Barber, thus relieving themselves of the expense of the #1 overall pick and allowing Jerry to get DMac. It was Jerry’s price for allowing BP to pillage the Cowbopys organization without comaplint from Jerry.
Only kidding.
It’s an extremely hard decision but I like rha,
have faith in our coaches that they must believe in either McQ or Free or Marten to step in otherwise he would have been signed. I’m willing to gamble.
Slide, I’m not sure what we would do without this blog. The fact that I am in great anticipation of the Tenders about to happen in the next 45 minutes would indicate that have a serious issues.
Unconventional, I love your conspiracy theory. It would be the biggest one to come out of Dallas since JFK.
Jerry Jones is not going to let an emerging superstar running back go for unless it is a ridiculous amount of money. Jones loves his star players, especially running backs, and will be willing to pay Marion a lot to stay. He just won’t do it until halfway through the season, or at the end when it is more financially logical.
Well, as usual, FWST got it wrong.
Barber got the highest tender (1st & 3rd) according to dc.com
Canty got the 1st round tender.
Berger got original, which means we get nothing but the right of first refusal.
Nobody else got tendered, including TT…he’s gone.
Well, I know I get killed for it all the time but I hope somebody gives us the 2 picks for Barber.
I’ll put my guard up.
Hoyte was released
Hey, hey! Are we forgetting to mention that the great Oliver Hoyte got released? There goes my fantasy keeper league.
This already got posted but I think it’s worth posting again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bbaIF22NGQ
If we get this guy in the third I’ll be very excited (based on his highlights anyway).
TLCM
Guess I should’ve waited. Thanks for recognizing the future HOFer
It’s probably been explained in past threads but I forgot. How do tenders work into the cap? If no one bites does the money go into the player’s salary this year?
Thats what I’m here for Slide
Hello to everyone longtime reader, finally figured out how to register.
As far as Rafael’s Mock, I love the first pick, like the second, and don’t know about Red in round 2, I think maybe too high and haven’t seen enough of him to form a solid opinion.
I think Cromartie’s gone in the top 10-15 by the time draft rolls around.
I have done a mock draft based on my own rankings and it doesn’t look pretty for us
Check out the mock at:
http://www.lordofthehuddle.com
That site is pretty funny. I’m surprised you had DRC being the first CB off the board.
Only a few hours left….
And we don’t know…..
If flo’s gonna go…..
And what it’ll mean to Romo….
BTW -
New York media reporting Giants will immediately go after Hall.
Lobsterman– Wow I hope so. TO against Hall twice a year? SOLD!!
Hall is not a FA though. They could have traded for him anytime and I don’t know if there is any incentive to cut him right when FA starts.
unconventional is correct, hall is under contract for another year.
Atl will have to release him for NY to go after him, atl will likely not do so.
Check out this mock.
Dallas moves to pick #7?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/don_banks/02/28/mock.draft3.part1/index.html?eref=T1
“Slide910:
That site is pretty funny. I’m surprised you had DRC being the first CB off the board.”
-I hope I am very wrong about his draft position. I based this on my opinions of the best players, so who knows what really happens. DRC just looks like the real deal from everything I’ve seen. Also, if DRC is gone, I kind of like Talib, he kind of looks like a younger version of Anthony Henry. A little rough around the edges, but looks like he’d matchup good against the Plaxico Buress-type WRs
slide,
the tender counts against the cap. To secure the player’s rights by forcing a team to give up a 1st or a 1st and 3rd, we have to pay him a certain amount of money for the next year, that money counts against the cap (just like the money we pay to franchise a player-hamlin in our case).
the long term fix would be to ink the tendered RFA to an extended deal with means you can spread his signing bonus over the life of the contract.
BTW,
Barber got the 1st and 3rd for 2.6 mil; canty got the 1st for about 2 mil.
they may now negotiate with other teams, but dallas has a week to match any offer (if not, they get the picks from the gaining teams).
oliver hoyte has been released.
thomas has officially signed.
Don Banks is an idiot
if, in the scenario above, barber gets a huge offer from another team, and dallas chooses not to match, we would get that team’s 1st and 3rd round picks for THIS year.
The tendered 2.6 million would not count against the cap.
I lost one of the WR’s I liked in FA.
Texans WR Andre Davis signs a 4 year deal for 16 million. Wow, that’s big money.
I’m wondering which teams would give up a 1 and 3 in the draft to get Barber?
Maybe we’ll do another trade with Cleveland (pick 15) because they need a replacement for aging Jamal Lewis, or with the Cardinals at pick 16 to replace Edge.
I’m betting that McFadden is long gone before pick 15 or 16, but it would give us 3 first round picks, and two of them could be used to move into the top 5 and get McFadden.
bishob,
dallas is betting not many. i think they want barber around, but a 1st and 3rd would go along way toward offsetting the sting of him leaving.
My guess would be a team picking in the lower third of round 1 would be the only ones considering giving up so much to get him. Keep in mind that this is a deep year for RBs in the draft AND the team would not only part with its first and third, it would have to sign MB to a whopper deal.
Our picks actually equal the Pats pick +/- a few points, and the Pats have a history of top pick avoidance.
If RunDMC is still there at #7, and we haven’t picked up Turner in FA, then it is a trade that has a lot of sense to it.
All this consternation reminds me when we were debating the RBs 4 years ago and no one thought we’d have a chance at Jonesx2 or Steven Jackson…and lo and behold…
RBs drop. That’s a well worn fact.
WRs are busts.
CBs rise.
At #22, we’re gonna get the dregs. Might as well take one of the few blue chippers than risk reaching or hoping that someone we want drops or trying to find a trade out.
I’d be happy to take Run DMC or whatever drops or trade down. We really don’t need that much and all this consternation is much ado about very little.
fighter are you satisfied with our secondary?
I wonder if Jones is meeting with Flo’s agent right now!
How probable is it that we resign Flo before 11:01 PM?
Flo is signed per the Ticket! No detail yet, but long term deal.
Flo is officially off the market.
http://cowboys.beloblog.com/
jkdallas beat me too it.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=626EF324-D473-A8AD-C9AE73E606072458
Sorry, thats the link to the Flo signing, no real info about the deal itself though.
This is good news. This is the first time in a while where we’ll have the same 5 guys on the line two years in a row. I wonder how much it cost ‘em though.
No speculation of Flozell, he’s just been signed to a long-term deal.
DMN link here.
No speculation on Flozell now, he’s just been signed to a long-term deal.
DMN link here.